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    Defensive zonal system needs to be ditched by LiverpoolBy Mark Lawrenson on May 27, 08 06:52 AM in Columnists

    RAFAEL BENITEZ can search the globe for solutions to his defensive problems this summer all he wants. But if he wants to cut down on the number of goals his team conceded from set-pieces last season then it's not individuals he should be concerned with - it's tactics.
    Liverpool employ a zonal system, which has generally worked just fine during Benitez's reign.

    But once teams know you are going to set up like that, they work out ways of getting an extra man off to capitalise if the ball goes loose in the area.

    From Benitez's own analysis, Liverpool conceded 10 goals more from set plays than they did in the previous campaign and that is a worrying statistic.
    One which suggests that something somewhere clearly isn't working.

    And while it's plain to see that Benitez needs to fork out for some full-backs in the transfer window, it's not as if wholesale changes to personnel throughout his defence are required.

    In fact, centre-back is the one area in which you would you say there's definitely no need to bring in reinforcements.
    Certainly not as a matter of urgency anyway.

    Martin Skrtel came in in January and did alright, Daniel Agger will be coming back next year, while Jamie Carragher and Sami Hyypia provide the experience to mix with the youth.

    It looks like a strong unit, yet this is the area most responsible for avoiding the sort of goals Liverpool let in so frequently last season.

    The players are more than capable of sorting that out themselves but Benitez might have to consider a change of tactics to make it happen.

    And bringing in man-marking would be the ideal way to do that in my view. When the opposition has a free-kick, you're responsible for one man and you need to stop him getting away.

    I believe that's still the most effective method of defending in the modern era, perhaps even more so considering what defenders can get away with in their own penalty area these days - you're allowed to virtually grab hold of people.

    Being more ruthless and bloody-minded in this way could be key to preventing those set- pieces resulting in goals and be worth an extra 10 or 12 points throughout the campaign.

    There's nothing wrong with the zonal system in open play, where you can pass players on to each other when the opposition has got the ball.

    Having someone like Javier Mascherano and another player in a deeper midfield role in front of the defence works very well. It's why so few teams get beyond Liverpool in open play, particularly down the middle.

    But the central defenders are more than good enough and disciplined enough to pinpoint their man at a dead-ball situation and deal with it.

    That didn't happen enough last season but that's no reason for Benitez to use any of his transfer budget on a new set of centre- backs.

    The ones he has are fine - they just need to get a bit more physical.

    #2
    Well we did concede an alarming amount of goals from set pieces last season - and there must be a reason for that? I doubt Rafa will change his philosophy though.

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      #3
      When Sami scored that goal against Arsenal nothing was said about the fact that he had managed to escape his man marker and had a free header to score a goal.

      Zonal marking is only brought up when we concede but we have one of the best defensive records in the league again last season.

      I thought Skrtel did more then alright when he came in and was it a coincidence that we started playing better and went on a great run when he was in the team which for a starters allowed us to defend further up the pitch then when Sami and Carragher are the central partnership.

      Personally i just think Lawro is just jumping on the bandwagon as per usual.

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        #4
        perhaps the many changes in the defence meant that we conceded more goals?

        and those changes where in the main forced upon us.

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          #5
          we looked dodgy at every set piece- and with an extra "10 or 12 points" wed have won the league
          Originally posted by fah-q
          Didn't someone once see Philip Schofield ****ting into a crisp packet?

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            #6
            2005/06 - 25 goals conceded
            2006/07 - 27 goals conceded
            2007/08 - 28 goals conceded

            Pretty consistent and impressive imo. Pepes Golden Gloves award is a reflection of how well we perform defensively.

            Plus we've got one of the finest central pairings from any 3 at CB for next season.

            Ever the optimist, I think the building blocks are all but in place now and on the back of a solid defensive unit I can see us havin a good crack at the PL next year.

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              #7
              With Dagger and Skittles we have possibly the best pairing I've seen since Lawro and Jocky Hanson. Both are comfortable on the ball, quick around the area and most importantly, dont hoof the ball into outer space, a la Carra and Sammy.

              If they learn positioning and reading of the game from Carra and Sammy, the future is bright.
              Those that hid Anne Frank were breaking the law.
              Those that killed her, were following the law.

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                #8
                mark lawrenson = normal ******s

                when it comes to liverpool the guy should just have a bit of support for a change insteas of using us to try and promote his god damn monotonous tv career
                in january we were doomed.

                in august we will rise from the ashes of ****e and march on again

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                  #9
                  I think it was down to the amount of changes we had to make in defence. Is this system not played all over the world to great success? If you listen to some people you would think its a new thing, if it is so easy to beat how come so many foreign coaches use it?

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                    #10
                    the way i see it zonal marking needs to be done as a unit, all together everyone doing there bit, but when we concede its the system that gets highlighted, man to man marking is much more individualistic, and when that fails 1 man gets the blame,
                    either or works for me but the players need to buy into the system they are playing, all teams concede from set pieces thats just the way it is, what really bugs me is that we don't score enough from them, also why do we need all of our outfield players in and around our own box defending set pieces, surely this is just overcrowding the box.

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                      #11
                      The first line summed it up for me - a load of bollocks

                      RAFAEL BENITEZ can search the globe for solutions to his defensive problems this summer all he wants.
                      Firstly - IS rafa searching the globe trying to sort out our defense? I seriously ****ing doubt it, in fact it's probably the last thing he is looking to do - every one knows we are pretty much sorted at centre back. He has added Degen as a much needed attacking due to the fact that finnan's career is coming to an end and he is looking for another lb as a replacement for the struggling riise - pretty obvious but certainly not drastic changes and hardly scouring the planet to sort defensive problems.

                      Lazy piece of writing, in fact to befair lawro probably didn't write it anyway(half of these pundits don't) he will have just put his name to it but still as i said i read the first line and thought "you're smoking crack"
                      i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do

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                        #12
                        I think he has a good point. Whenever we play Utd we look anything but comfortable from set pieces, we look awful. Plus from an attacking point of view our set pieces are even worse. Hardly anyone wants to attack the ball like the way Vidic seems to do.

                        Yes the zonal defence has served us well for a lot of the time but it seems to go wrong in the big games when it matters most, games are tight and set pieces more often and not are the defining moments of top games.

                        Rafa won't change though, just like he won't change his defence minded approach to games, his stubborness to accept he's occassionally wrong. It's not beyond Rafa to win the league this way, a little luck here and there may help but I can't help thinking he makes things hard for himself.
                        Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won’t expect it back. Oscar Wilde

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                          #13
                          Lawro talks ****e again.

                          This is brought up when we concede from set pieces, yet they keep shut when teams concede with the man to man system, which is all the bloody time.

                          I think our defensive record speaks for itself.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by vocey View Post
                            the way i see it zonal marking needs to be done as a unit, all together everyone doing there bit, but when we concede its the system that gets highlighted, man to man marking is much more individualistic, and when that fails 1 man gets the blame,
                            either or works for me but the players need to buy into the system they are playing, all teams concede from set pieces thats just the way it is, what really bugs me is that we don't score enough from them, also why do we need all of our outfield players in and around our own box defending set pieces, surely this is just overcrowding the box.
                            First sensible thing you've said all year.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by tomasjj View Post
                              Lawro talks ****e again.

                              This is brought up when we concede from set pieces, yet they keep shut when teams concede with the man to man system, which is all the bloody time.

                              I think our defensive record speaks for itself.
                              Absolutely. What a load of nonsense that article is. So we conceeded 10 more goals last season from set pieces than the previous year.... when we were also using zonal marking, but had a completely settled back 4. And they went on about zonal marking that season too despite us shipping less goals from set pieces than any other team in the league. Its bloody pathetic, just because it isn't a system traditionally employed in this country doesn't mean its wrong, or that when we concede it isn't down to individual errors rather than the system itself.

                              I think the only way the media in this country will accept that zonal is at least as valid, if not actually a superior defensive system to man-marking, would be if we went all season without even 1 goal being scored against us.
                              I could not dig, I dared not rob:
                              Therefore I lied to please the mob.
                              Now all my lies are proved untrue
                              And I must face the men I slew.
                              What tale shall serve me here among
                              Mine angry and defrauded young?

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