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    #31
    Originally posted by hertsred
    The argentinians have upset the balance of the side.
    IMO that's more of a specific selection issue rather than a rotation issue.
    Like blood on iron

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      #32
      Did this idiot miss the fact that we finished with 82 points in the league last season, which most seasons would make you contenders for the title?

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        #33
        Eh. Guardian is having a pop at everyone in the Premiership. I'm not suprised they've chosen Rafa this time. TBH, I hate this squad rotation from the bottom of my heart because we never seem to play with our best team - its allways half best and half 2nd team. It gives me nightmares, but I trust Rafa and I'm sure he knows what he's doing. I believe this rotation system will help us in the 2nd part of the season. I reckon CSKA London, Scum and Arse players (not to mention Pompey!!!) will be a bit tired, because they feature in every single game. Our players wont be! And that's an advantage I think.

        As for West Who United and those 2 Argies... I couldn't care less! I never rated Tevez and Macherano (spelling?) quite highly. I believe that they'll need time to settle in the Premiership and I'd never play them in the first team. I think Harewood is better than both of them (at the moment). Pardew should do what Rafa did with Agger - play him in the reserves game to get used to the english style of play. But I guess those Argie ****s wont play in the reserves matches. They're too 'important', I guess...

        Who gives a ****!
        We must win 2nite!
        Last edited by cobain; 27-09-06, 06:17 AM.
        Torres Fan Club Member #2, Lucas Leiva Fan Club Member #1

        going limp; HARRRRRRRRRRRR

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          #34
          Originally posted by bazza76
          Pardew said live in a interview that he was asked what did he think about signing the pair.
          His reply was of course i'd love them here, Westham is about bringing in World Class players etc and looked over the moon at the signings.
          disagree

          He never chose them, he was told.
          "What's your favourite Beatles album then?"
          "I think I'd have to say....Best of the Beatles"

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            #35
            Have a look at the opta stats take on squad rotation

            http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?...in+Premiership

            the teams that don't rotate their players usually don't have enough players to rotate and always suffer later on in the season.
            "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."

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              #36
              Originally posted by friedk
              Have a look at the opta stats take on squad rotation

              http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?...in+Premiership

              the teams that don't rotate their players usually don't have enough players to rotate and always suffer later on in the season.
              Very, very interesting.
              Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                #37
                Originally posted by friedk
                Have a look at the opta stats take on squad rotation

                http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?...in+Premiership

                the teams that don't rotate their players usually don't have enough players to rotate and always suffer later on in the season.
                Conclusive evidence - end of argument I reckon. 38 different starting elevens - it's amazing in itself and even more amazing that no-one seems to have noticed before.
                .
                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                May the Lord bless this post.

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                  #38
                  Here's a good headline for The Guardian:

                  Rafa Right Again Shock!
                  Just when I discovered the meaning of life, they changed it

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by kopdan
                    disagree

                    He never chose them, he was told.
                    Put it this way, what manager in Pardew's shoes would say no to such signings, thats basically what he said himself at the time, he has never had that opportunity before and wasnt about to turn it down. I think signing the pair have upset the team a little, they dont seem to be playing as much as a unit of present. But i highly doubt Pardew would have ever rejected the chance to sign the pair, Im sure if he was given the money instead, he would have greatly accepted that and most likely not have signed either of them.
                    Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                    'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                    "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                    * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by friedk
                      Have a look at the opta stats take on squad rotation

                      http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?...in+Premiership

                      the teams that don't rotate their players usually don't have enough players to rotate and always suffer later on in the season.
                      That article just put a big smile on my face, I hope all the lazy wannabe Journos see this article.
                      Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                      'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                      "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                      * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Neil Young
                        Conclusive evidence - end of argument I reckon. 38 different starting elevens - it's amazing in itself and even more amazing that no-one seems to have noticed before.
                        except perhaps Rafa
                        "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."

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                          #42
                          I just looked at the 2005/2006 season, including league and cups and found that I couldn't see a pattern to Rafa's rotation, other than its consistent over the season.

                          (DISCLAIMER Just checked my spreadsheet after entering this and see that I missed a match somewhere - can't be bother to correct it now though - you can see the trends (or lack of them) from the data)


                          Here’s what I found:

                          Days between ... Av number of ............ Av number of players
                          matches .......... player changes .......... changed in a position
                          2...................... 5.0 .............................. 6.7
                          3 ..................... 3.9 .............................. 5.4
                          4 ..................... 3.7 .............................. 5.3
                          5 ..................... 3.0 .............................. 3.8
                          6 ..................... 4.0 .............................. 5.2
                          7 ..................... 2.3 .............................. 2.9
                          >7 ................... 4.0 .............................. 4.8

                          The difference between column 2 and 3 is explained by, for example, where CB pairings change and say Hypia swaps sides to accommodate Agger coming in for Carra, then there is one player change but two position changes

                          The next list is how many times we have made a given number of changes.
                          Row one is the number of changes
                          Row two is the number of times that many players has changed
                          Row three is the number of times a player in a given position has changed

                          0 1 2 3. 4. 5. 6 7 8 9 10 11
                          1 4 3 9. 8. 11 7 6 4 4 2. 0
                          1 8 8 13 14 8. 4 0 0 3 0. 0

                          To read this you can say on 2 occasions we have made 10 positional changes whilst the most number of player changes we made was 9 (!!) on three occasions. It looks like we didn't change the team only one time in that season - but I thyink thats where I cocked up my spreadsheet - oh hum.
                          The difference between rows 2 and three are because players like Riise move from LB to LM.


                          The next list is for a given position (column 1)
                          Number of players who have played in that position (column 2)
                          Number of times player has been changed in that position (column 3)
                          Number of times unchanged (column4)

                          GK 3 12 49
                          LB 3 39 22
                          CB 3 10 51
                          CB 5 10 51
                          RB 6 20 41
                          LM 7 34 27
                          CM 4 24 37
                          CM 4 34 27
                          RM 9 36 25
                          CF 7 40 21
                          CF 8 37 24

                          If you consider CBs to be one position, i.e it doesn't matter which side you play, then you get a different slant on things. The next table shows the number of changes to the CB,CF,CM (and winger) pairings, and how many times they remained consistent.

                          The table shows in for a postion (column 1):
                          the number of times players have been 'rested' or moved from CM to the wings (e.g. Gerrard) (Column 2 )
                          the number of times the pair of players have remained unchanged (column3)

                          CB 15 46
                          CM 50 20
                          CF 58 9
                          WM 66 12

                          where WM = wide midfield.

                          You can see from that that GK is the most consitent, followed by CB, where one CB or more changed only 15 times.

                          Obviously RB is the least changed outfield position, with 6 players having played there but 41 times the postion was unchanged.

                          Most changed position is CF with the same pairing playing only 9 times all season.

                          RM and LM had about the same number of players and changes.

                          One player kept his same position in CM more than any other MF player - Alonso.

                          Make of it what you will
                          ....
                          Luck - the only substitute for skill

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                            #43
                            Why have you got two logins Disco?

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Reece
                              Why have you got two logins Disco?
                              Not true - I'm just waiting for a meeting, so filling in time like a sad ****.....
                              Luck - the only substitute for skill

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by OldManRed
                                Not true - I'm just waiting for a meeting, so filling in time like a sad ****.....


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