LFC Club Scouts

[Shanks]

Surely we must send our scouts abroad to look at players in the same way as everyone else.

What the feck are these guys getting paid to do FFS!!

I and a lot of people on here could have picked all of the players we've been linked with so far.

Villa, Silva, Bentley, Barry, anyone playing well at the Euros

Our reserve lads don't seem to stand much of a chance at the mo so what the feck is happening at Scout search/Club level

Why have these players at the euros who are playing out of their skin/overpriced been over looked?

Arshavin, Villa, Stipe Pletikosa, Danijel Pranjic, Karim Benzema,
Jeremy Toulalan, Joao Moutinho, Yuri Zhirkov, Artur Boruc, Miguel, Libor Sionko, Pavlyuchenko.


When was the last time we paid buttons for an unknown superstar who became a multi million pound player??

Ron Yeats scouted Hyypia when he was bought on the cheap from WillemII but we haven't seen much since then.

The academy produced Stevie, Owen and Carra but what has happened since then?

I suppose the £50mill spec Chelsea bid for Torres shows his worth but put that down to goals scored in his first season.

Will the Chavs offer the same again at the end of next season if he scores less?

I doubt it.

But when was the last time we BOUGHT a cheap unknown?

Traditionally it's always been a defender but I think a good scout would earn his wedge in finding a great striker, Adeybayor etc

Our chief scout, Macia has apparently had good links with Silva from a few years ago but why didn't we pile in before now?

"I look for players all over the world," he said. "We are always watching videos, going to games and talking to our scouts" (Macia)

Wenger often takes the credit for his knack of finding the best talent but is it actually Arsenal's scouts that we should be looking at.

Anyone fancy being paid a decent few quid for sitting and watching a few footy matches around the world?

[-V-]

Danijel Pranjic- Not sure what he would bring to us?
Jeremy Toulalan- Don't need him we have Mascher, Alonso and Lucas
Joao Moutinho- Good but not good enough
Miguel- Nothing Special
Libor Sionko- Your joking right?
Pavlyuchenko- Misses way too many chances
Boruc- Why do we need him????

The rest you mentioned fair enough. Arshavin is a player we should have signed long ago

[JPK]

Rafa has scouts all over the globe. Before he joined we did not have scouts in South America. Now we have Argentines, a Brazilian, a Paraguayan playing with us.
We had none in the smaller leagues in Europe and he has signed Nemeth who is supposedly the best Hungarian player since Puskas. We have brilliant Spaniards in the first team and reserves. We have a Dane ,Italian ,Slovak ,Israelite , Ukrainian , Dutch ,Finns and Swedes. Rome was'nt built in a day. Rafa has a great eye for foreign players. Not so great with English lads though.

[Shanks]

I wasn't trying to say we should sign these players but more to indicate how much has their value increased.

Sionko is not a Liverpool player but there will be premiership clubs that will be looking, purely on his Euro performance.

[Shanks]

Rafa has scouts all over the globe. Before he joined we did not have scouts in South America. Now we have Argentines, a Brazilian, a Paraguayan playing with us.
We had none in the smaller leagues in Europe and he has signed Nemeth who is supposedly the best Hungarian player since Puskas. We have brilliant Spaniards in the first team and reserves. We have a Dane ,Italian ,Slovak ,Israelite , Ukrainian , Dutch ,Finns and Swedes. Rome was'nt built in a day. Rafa has a great eye for foreign players.

Of course we have scouts all over the world but it doesn't mean they are doing a great job.



I understand what you are saying but if you look at the age of our potential targets, Silva, Milner etc, then what is the point of these guys even playing.

Will Nemeth and Pacheco seriously get a long term look in?

If they are good enough then yes...

but if the scouts have done a really good job then they will be straight into the first team al la Adeybayor etc..

What I am trying to say is that,
when was the last time a good scout plucked a young player that no one has ever heard of before and bought him for buttons and has then gone on to greater things??

It ain't happening for us like it used to.

[Darth Marty]

Its a good post, up there with your best

I actually was thinking the same the other day when I was reading how good our youth system has become, maybe the answer to your question is - we have already changed this part of the club for the better but will need to wait a season or 2 for the young uns to come through.

Good post though and very true in what you say.

[slimbimjim]

What you are really asking is why haven't we put these scouted players into our starting 11 yet?

Well, Insua is bound to go onto greater things. Anyone heard of Skrtl before?

Be patient and let the new players come into the side slowly. You will see a few superstars born in the next few years, mark my words.

[Fiddy]

Surely we must send our scouts abroad to look at players in the same way as everyone else.

What the feck are these guys getting paid to do FFS!!

I and a lot of people on here could have picked all of the players we've been linked with so far.

Villa, Silva, Bentley, Barry, anyone playing well at the Euros

Our reserve lads don't seem to stand much of a chance at the mo so what the feck is happening at Scout search/Club level

Why have these players at the euros who are playing out of their skin/overpriced been over looked?

Arshavin, Villa, Stipe Pletikosa, Danijel Pranjic, Karim Benzema,
Jeremy Toulalan, Joao Moutinho, Yuri Zhirkov, Artur Boruc, Miguel, Libor Sionko, Pavlyuchenko.


When was the last time we paid buttons for an unknown superstar who became a multi million pound player??

Ron Yeats scouted Hyypia when he was bought on the cheap from WillemII but we haven't seen much since then.

The academy produced Stevie, Owen and Carra but what has happened since then?

I suppose the £50mill spec Chelsea bid for Torres shows his worth but put that down to goals scored in his first season.

Will the Chavs offer the same again at the end of next season if he scores less?

I doubt it.

But when was the last time we BOUGHT a cheap unknown?

Traditionally it's always been a defender but I think a good scout would earn his wedge in finding a great striker, Adeybayor etc

Our chief scout, Macia has apparently had good links with Silva from a few years ago but why didn't we pile in before now?

"I look for players all over the world," he said. "We are always watching videos, going to games and talking to our scouts" (Macia)

Wenger often takes the credit for his knack of finding the best talent but is it actually Arsenal's scouts that we should be looking at.

Anyone fancy being paid a decent few quid for sitting and watching a few footy matches around the world?

Err...Agger, Skrtel, Nemeth, Insua etc etc, the likes of Degen and Arbeloa no one had heard of before...our scouts have found some excellent young players - look at the first two they're first teamers much sooner than anyone thought they'd be.

It's easy to sit at home and watch tv, then reel off a list of names, fact is none of us knows who Rafa is speaking to or interested in, and to be honest out of that list you made there's only really Pranjic, Zhirkov and Sionko that most people would never have heard of, do you seriously think Rafa isn't aware of the likes of Arshavin (**** me I'd love to sign him), Villa and Benzema?!

[Shanks]

I actually was thinking the same the other day when I was reading how good our youth system has become, maybe the answer to your question is - we have already changed this part of the club for the better but will need to wait a season or 2 for the young uns to come through.

How have we changed for the better Darthknobjock when we used to have players like these coming through/bought cheap.

Murphy, Carra, Owen, Gerrard, Warnock, Redknapp, Finnan, Riise, James, etc.

Apart from Plessis getting a no mark run out against Arsenal we haven't exactly been ground breaking.




Oh and I think you may get an award for Threadstarter of 2008 yourself so lookout for that one.

[Shanks]

Err...Agger, Skrtel, Insua etc etc, the likes of Degen and Arbeloa no one had heard of before

FFS Read my post.

As I said.

In general,

most of our signings/unknowns have been

DEFENDERS!!!

[Danish_Pastry]

.... Leto were meant to be a unknown player, when he signed ½ a year before he came here - a massive talent in Argie, who had scored for fun down there - but ran into troubles with the new language, with the pressure of the first team (palyed well for the ressies), with his passport...

Gonzales in a similar way - though he were just to easy-broken and injuryprone - and lacked confidence when he got the chance.

... and then - as mentioned above ... Agger, Arbeloa, Skrtel, Nemeth, Pacheco etc. are in and around the first team - and they are all young and already making themselves a name by playing for LFC.

.... but still - it would have been fantastic if we had nicked Arshavin already when Russia beat England in the qualification!

[meffin]

Danijel Pranjic- Not sure what he would bring to us?
Jeremy Toulalan- Don't need him we have Mascher, Alonso and Lucas
Joao Moutinho- Good but not good enough
Miguel- Nothing Special
Libor Sionko- Your joking right?
Pavlyuchenko- Misses way too many chances
Boruc- Why do we need him????

The rest you mentioned fair enough. Arshavin is a player we should have signed long ago

are you kidding? he looks awesome, and is 21 so will get much better

[Elvis]

FFS Read my post.

As I said.

In general,

most of our signings/unknowns have been

DEFENDERS!!!

Also, Insua, Nemeth, Degen, Arebeloa...they're hardly talk of the town outside of Liverpool.....Rafa was looking to send Insua on loan if you believe the reports so he's "one for the future" if we're lucky....Degen - who knows? - Arebeloa - squad player for us and Spain...Nemeth - real promise but barely played a first-team game yet so hard to say.

[calvoboy]

Rafa has a great eye for foreign players. Not so great with English lads though.

I think he's got just as good an eye for the English lads, it's just that all a 15/16 year old English lad needs to do is go on one good run and beat a few players in the first team for a league 2 club and their price tag is £1 million. Score a goal in League 1 and it's £2 million. Play a few regular games in the Championship and it's £5 million plus.

It's a joke.

£5m rising to £10m for Aaron Ramsey who, while undoubtedly talented, has never kicked a ball at Premiership level

£18m for Darren Bent

£20m (asking price) for Gareth Barry

It's no surprise that Rafa (and Arsene, and Siralex) look elsewhere, when you can get top class experienced internationals for half the price of their English equivalents.

[frank the tank]

Getting back to the original post, nobody knows for sure how good our scouts are doing... the scout has the scope of work to identify potential players only - a scout can highly reccomend certain players but the final say will come with Rafa Benitez.

I will put it this way to you - Freddie Lungburg was identified to Houllier as a good signing by a scout. Houllier could have signed the player for 2.5m but decided against it as he had other targets in mind (the likes of Jean Michel Ferri!!!). We all know that Lungburg went onto be a top top player for Arsenal - but to me, the scout has still done his job for LFC in identifying the player in the first place....

Benitez has also said that Denilson was identified to him as a good player to buy but we couldnt afford at the time to spend 3m on a young player.....

In conclusion, you could be right when saying that the scouts are not doing a good job, but then again you could be way off too - perhaps it is the manager that is deciding to sign other players instead - we will probably never know for sure if the scouting dept is doing a bad job....

But we might know for sure that they are doing a good job in a year or two when we have Bruna, Pacheco and Nemeth all combining with Torres and Babel in attack, with insua supporting from full back and Plessis proteting the defence!!!