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    Anfield's wasted space could be put to good use

    Paul Doyle
    guardian.co.uk,
    Sunday August 31 2008 20:31 BST


    What's the point in moving into a multi-storey mansion if you don't even use all the rooms in your current bungalow? That, perhaps, is the question potential creditors asked Liverpool when the Reds recently came looking for a mortgage for their notional new stadium. By way of answer, Liverpool presumably sat in confused silence, drool slowly seeping from their mouths.

    The solution is obvious - which is perhaps why Rafa Benitez refuses to recognise it.

    The Anfield pitch is 101 metres long and 68 metres wide. What a waste! The minimum permitted dimensions are 90mx45m. That means Liverpool could narrow their pitch by over 11 metres on each side, ie remove the flanks that they've long left fallow anyway. They could also shorten the pitch by 11 metres, thereby giving an even greater role to one of their most creative players, Pepe Reina.

    Not only would this condensed pitch suit Benitez's guileless brand of football, but extra seating could be erected on the rezoned metres, adding thousands to Anfield's capacity, almost rendering a new stadium redundant, and freeing up more money for Benitez to spend on strikers whose lack of pace makes them ideal for conversion into ineffective wingers. If ever one decides to emulate Ryan Babel by saving the side from costly Champions League humiliation with a wonderful cross from near the touchline in the 27th minute of extra-time against Belgian hicks, he can be dropped for the next match so that Robbie Keane can again totter fruitlessly down the channels.

    If Fernando Torres then gets injured chasing yet another over-hit pass, Keane can be left marooned on the left while a cut-price import from PSG reserves lurches around up front instead of the £20m striker. His confidence duly shattered, Keane will be ready for redeployment in his preferred position, where, when a punt over the top lands in his path in the 72nd minute, he will dither uncharacteristically and allow someone such as Nigel Reo-Coker to hurtle back and cut him down with an embarrassing last-ditch tackle. Then Keane can be withdrawn – taking the value of the strikers who've left the pitch in the course of the 0-0 draw with a team beaten by Stoke the previous weekend to £50m – and replaced by Yossi Benayoun, who no longer knows where his best position is but is sure that if he does excel he will be benched for the next match.


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      Originally posted by sinbad View Post
      Paul Doyle
      guardian.co.uk,
      Sunday August 31 2008 20:31 BST


      What's the point in moving into a multi-storey mansion if you don't even use all the rooms in your current bungalow? That, perhaps, is the question potential creditors asked Liverpool when the Reds recently came looking for a mortgage for their notional new stadium. By way of answer, Liverpool presumably sat in confused silence, drool slowly seeping from their mouths.

      The solution is obvious - which is perhaps why Rafa Benitez refuses to recognise it.

      The Anfield pitch is 101 metres long and 68 metres wide. What a waste! The minimum permitted dimensions are 90mx45m. That means Liverpool could narrow their pitch by over 11 metres on each side, ie remove the flanks that they've long left fallow anyway. They could also shorten the pitch by 11 metres, thereby giving an even greater role to one of their most creative players, Pepe Reina.

      Not only would this condensed pitch suit Benitez's guileless brand of football, but extra seating could be erected on the rezoned metres, adding thousands to Anfield's capacity, almost rendering a new stadium redundant, and freeing up more money for Benitez to spend on strikers whose lack of pace makes them ideal for conversion into ineffective wingers. If ever one decides to emulate Ryan Babel by saving the side from costly Champions League humiliation with a wonderful cross from near the touchline in the 27th minute of extra-time against Belgian hicks, he can be dropped for the next match so that Robbie Keane can again totter fruitlessly down the channels.

      If Fernando Torres then gets injured chasing yet another over-hit pass, Keane can be left marooned on the left while a cut-price import from PSG reserves lurches around up front instead of the £20m striker. His confidence duly shattered, Keane will be ready for redeployment in his preferred position, where, when a punt over the top lands in his path in the 72nd minute, he will dither uncharacteristically and allow someone such as Nigel Reo-Coker to hurtle back and cut him down with an embarrassing last-ditch tackle. Then Keane can be withdrawn – taking the value of the strikers who've left the pitch in the course of the 0-0 draw with a team beaten by Stoke the previous weekend to £50m – and replaced by Yossi Benayoun, who no longer knows where his best position is but is sure that if he does excel he will be benched for the next match.


      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...&feed=football
      Sums up my frustration anyway.
      "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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        Originally posted by sinbad View Post
        Paul Doyle
        guardian.co.uk,
        Sunday August 31 2008 20:31 BST


        What's the point in moving into a multi-storey mansion if you don't even use all the rooms in your current bungalow? That, perhaps, is the question potential creditors asked Liverpool when the Reds recently came looking for a mortgage for their notional new stadium. By way of answer, Liverpool presumably sat in confused silence, drool slowly seeping from their mouths.

        The solution is obvious - which is perhaps why Rafa Benitez refuses to recognise it.

        The Anfield pitch is 101 metres long and 68 metres wide. What a waste! The minimum permitted dimensions are 90mx45m. That means Liverpool could narrow their pitch by over 11 metres on each side, ie remove the flanks that they've long left fallow anyway. They could also shorten the pitch by 11 metres, thereby giving an even greater role to one of their most creative players, Pepe Reina.

        Not only would this condensed pitch suit Benitez's guileless brand of football, but extra seating could be erected on the rezoned metres, adding thousands to Anfield's capacity, almost rendering a new stadium redundant, and freeing up more money for Benitez to spend on strikers whose lack of pace makes them ideal for conversion into ineffective wingers. If ever one decides to emulate Ryan Babel by saving the side from costly Champions League humiliation with a wonderful cross from near the touchline in the 27th minute of extra-time against Belgian hicks, he can be dropped for the next match so that Robbie Keane can again totter fruitlessly down the channels.

        If Fernando Torres then gets injured chasing yet another over-hit pass, Keane can be left marooned on the left while a cut-price import from PSG reserves lurches around up front instead of the £20m striker. His confidence duly shattered, Keane will be ready for redeployment in his preferred position, where, when a punt over the top lands in his path in the 72nd minute, he will dither uncharacteristically and allow someone such as Nigel Reo-Coker to hurtle back and cut him down with an embarrassing last-ditch tackle. Then Keane can be withdrawn – taking the value of the strikers who've left the pitch in the course of the 0-0 draw with a team beaten by Stoke the previous weekend to £50m – and replaced by Yossi Benayoun, who no longer knows where his best position is but is sure that if he does excel he will be benched for the next match.


        http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...&feed=football
        I hate the tone of the that article, but in all honesty it's 100% accurate. Rafa has gone backwards since his second season. He has been backed heavily by the two cunt owners. The Americans might be responsible for the bull**** off the pitch but Rafa is responsible for all the bull**** on the pitch. The last time I was this put off by football was in Houllier's last season. If Rafa doesn't deliver the title this year, I hope he gets sacked. Quite frankly, we have a good enough squad to win the title now.
        My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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          Insipid, lacklustre and negative beyond belief.

          30 million spunked on 2 strikers - one playing left half the other playing right.

          Prrof if ever it was needed that he is far far too concerned with our opponents strengths rather than playing to our own.

          I knew, i just ****ing knew that he was going to buy Keane and play him out of position, he's going to ruin this boy mark my words, just like he did with Morientes and Kuyt.

          Ive had it up to the ****ing eyeballs with this style of football.
          If you've lost your faith in love and music the end won't be long

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            Originally posted by FatTony View Post
            Doesn't do it for me sorry.

            Firstly, lets not kid ourselves here and pretend we were good until Torres went off. We were poor and created nothing.

            The choice of midfield was dubious to say the least. Lucas, Durk, Xabi and Mascher....that lacks on so many levels it beggars belief.

            This is the Villa team who let Stoke City score 3 times against them last week and Rafa sets out a midfield with every intention of getting a draw.

            He then proceded to leave Babel on the bench, brought on new boy Ngog and replaced Kuyt with Aurelio...bizarre.

            The choice of line up was negative and the subsitutions were negative.

            I'm sick of people stating we're top of the league...its 3 games in FFS. The position doesn't really matter at this stage, its meaningless. If Rafa had played his best players (which I don't think he even knows who this is 5 years in) and they played poorly then so be it, it is early in the season and **** happens, but it was never going to be any other way with this 11.

            This feels like a defeat because the performance was that bad. If Liverpool Football Club cannot go to Villa Park and try and win a game just because their two main players were out after spending £200m or whatever it is, then this to me is a shocking state of affairs and paints a very poor picture of where Rafa has taken us (queue sarcastic Istanbul and Greece). Wenger has had to rebuild his squad on a fraction of this, and I mean rebuild in the last few years and they were still in the title race several months after we predictably fell away before the new year.

            Its the same old excuses from those die hard rafa supporters, its time to wake up and smell the coffee, its never going to happen.
            Great Post, couldn't have said it better...Spot on with everything
            Liverpool FC - League Champions 2011/2012

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              Originally posted by saj View Post
              I hate the tone of the that article, but in all honesty it's 100% accurate. Rafa has gone backwards since his second season. He has been backed heavily by the two cunt owners. The Americans might be responsible for the bull**** off the pitch but Rafa is responsible for all the bull**** on the pitch. The last time I was this put off by football was in Houllier's last season. If Rafa doesn't deliver the title this year, I hope he gets sacked. Quite frankly, we have a good enough squad to win the title now.
              No, we don't. This is ridiculous. But we have a good enough squad to challenge though. Look at Chelsea and their buys and the players they are linked with. They and United are on a different level.

              Chelsea can turn to Ballack, Deco, Lampard, Cole, Drogba, Anelka, Essien, Bosingwa, Mikel, Carvalho and probably Robinho. They have almost nothing but 15-30 million players in their squad.

              United also have plenty of high end players although they spent more time accruing them. They have Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo, Nani, Ferdinand, Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson and probably Berbatov who all cost around 15-30 million.

              Our expensive purchases are Torres, Mascher and Keane who cost 15+. Quality isn't always pricier but most often than not it is. Maybe Rafa should have bought someone else than Keane but I think he'll come good. We have a lot of catching up to do.
              * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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                Originally posted by Joe Le Toff View Post
                Insipid, lacklustre and negative beyond belief.

                30 million spunked on 2 strikers - one playing left half the other playing right.

                Prrof if ever it was needed that he is far far too concerned with our opponents strengths rather than playing to our own.

                I knew, i just ****ing knew that he was going to buy Keane and play him out of position, he's going to ruin this boy mark my words, just like he did with Morientes and Kuyt.

                Ive had it up to the ****ing eyeballs with this style of football.
                Remarkably, he's probably the one player Rafa signed who was never played out of position. Even Reina has been played out of position (albeit in a pre-season friendly)
                My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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                  Originally posted by The_weatherman View Post
                  No, we don't. This is ridiculous. But we have a good enough squad to challenge though. Look at Chelsea and their buys and the players they are linked with. They and United are on a different level.

                  Chelsea can turn to Ballack, Deco, Lampard, Cole, Drogba, Anelka, Essien, Bosingwa, Mikel, Carvalho and probably Robinho. They have almost nothing but 15-30 million players in their squad.

                  United also have plenty of high end players although they spent more time accruing them. They have Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo, Nani, Ferdinand, Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson and probably Berbatov who all cost around 15-30 million.

                  Our expensive purchases are Torres, Mascher and Keane who cost 15+. Quality isn't always pricier but most often than not it is. Maybe Rafa should have bought someone else than Keane but I think he'll come good. We have a lot of catching up to do.
                  Well done for contradicting yourself. I said we have a good enough squad to win the title and you say that comment is ridiculous. Then in your opening few lines you say "But we have a good enough squad to challenge though". So if we can challenge for the title surely we can win it?

                  I didn't even read past that line as that comment was "ridiculous". Weatherman, your forecast has failed.
                  My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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                    Originally posted by saj View Post
                    Well done for contradicting yourself. I said we have a good enough squad to win the title and you say that comment is ridiculous. Then in your opening few lines you say "But we have a good enough squad to challenge though". So if we can challenge for the title surely we can win it?

                    I didn't even read past that line as that comment was "ridiculous"
                    Maybe I went overboard, but its a good thing you didn't.

                    What I wanted to say was that I don't think we have a chance to win the thing, we should be getting closer though IMO.
                    Last edited by The_weatherman; 01-09-08, 11:49 AM.
                    * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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                      Originally posted by The_weatherman View Post
                      No, we don't. This is ridiculous. But we have a good enough squad to challenge though. Look at Chelsea and their buys and the players they are linked with. They and United are on a different level.

                      Chelsea can turn to Ballack, Deco, Lampard, Cole, Drogba, Anelka, Essien, Bosingwa, Mikel, Carvalho and probably Robinho. They have almost nothing but 15-30 million players in their squad.

                      United also have plenty of high end players although they spent more time accruing them. They have Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo, Nani, Ferdinand, Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson and probably Berbatov who all cost around 15-30 million.

                      Our expensive purchases are Torres, Mascher and Keane who cost 15+. Quality isn't always pricier but most often than not it is. Maybe Rafa should have bought someone else than Keane but I think he'll come good. We have a lot of catching up to do.
                      Agree mate...Check Zenit St Petersburg, they have no big names except Arshavin but they played the scum off the park at times.Fast paced and brilliant at times.We just need to stop being negative, we have the players for defense/ midfield and strikers, missing wingers and setting up the team to win...
                      Liverpool FC - League Champions 2011/2012

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                        Originally posted by FatTony View Post
                        Doesn't do it for me sorry.

                        Firstly, lets not kid ourselves here and pretend we were good until Torres went off. We were poor and created nothing.

                        The choice of midfield was dubious to say the least. Lucas, Durk, Xabi and Mascher....that lacks on so many levels it beggars belief.

                        This is the Villa team who let Stoke City score 3 times against them last week and Rafa sets out a midfield with every intention of getting a draw.

                        He then proceded to leave Babel on the bench, brought on new boy Ngog and replaced Kuyt with Aurelio...bizarre.

                        The choice of line up was negative and the subsitutions were negative.

                        I'm sick of people stating we're top of the league...its 3 games in FFS. The position doesn't really matter at this stage, its meaningless. If Rafa had played his best players (which I don't think he even knows who this is 5 years in) and they played poorly then so be it, it is early in the season and **** happens, but it was never going to be any other way with this 11.

                        This feels like a defeat because the performance was that bad. If Liverpool Football Club cannot go to Villa Park and try and win a game just because their two main players were out after spending £200m or whatever it is, then this to me is a shocking state of affairs and paints a very poor picture of where Rafa has taken us (queue sarcastic Istanbul and Greece). Wenger has had to rebuild his squad on a fraction of this, and I mean rebuild in the last few years and they were still in the title race several months after we predictably fell away before the new year.

                        Its the same old excuses from those die hard rafa supporters, its time to wake up and smell the coffee, its never going to happen.


                        On the midfield, there is just so much lack of pace in our side at the moment it is horrendous. It says a lot that Mascherano was probably our best dribbler yesterday, this a guy who has a primary goal of destroying the other team - not being our playmaker.

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                          Originally posted by The_weatherman View Post
                          Maybe I went overboard, but its a good thing you didn't.

                          What I wanted to say was that I don't think we have a chance to win the thing, we should be getting closer though IMO.
                          Nah it wasn't overboard. What's depressing is the fact that every football fan who doesn't support Liverpool is saying the same thing:

                          "why didn't Babel play"

                          "what has happened between Babel and Benitez, have they had a falling out?"

                          "What was with your lineup"

                          "Why did Benitez make those stupid substitutions".

                          "That wasn't the Liverpool we know"

                          We truly are the laughing stock of English football, both on and off the pitch.
                          My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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                            Originally posted by sinbad View Post
                            Paul Doyle
                            guardian.co.uk,
                            Sunday August 31 2008 20:31 BST


                            What's the point in moving into a multi-storey mansion if you don't even use all the rooms in your current bungalow? That, perhaps, is the question potential creditors asked Liverpool when the Reds recently came looking for a mortgage for their notional new stadium. By way of answer, Liverpool presumably sat in confused silence, drool slowly seeping from their mouths.

                            The solution is obvious - which is perhaps why Rafa Benitez refuses to recognise it.

                            The Anfield pitch is 101 metres long and 68 metres wide. What a waste! The minimum permitted dimensions are 90mx45m. That means Liverpool could narrow their pitch by over 11 metres on each side, ie remove the flanks that they've long left fallow anyway. They could also shorten the pitch by 11 metres, thereby giving an even greater role to one of their most creative players, Pepe Reina.

                            Not only would this condensed pitch suit Benitez's guileless brand of football, but extra seating could be erected on the rezoned metres, adding thousands to Anfield's capacity, almost rendering a new stadium redundant, and freeing up more money for Benitez to spend on strikers whose lack of pace makes them ideal for conversion into ineffective wingers. If ever one decides to emulate Ryan Babel by saving the side from costly Champions League humiliation with a wonderful cross from near the touchline in the 27th minute of extra-time against Belgian hicks, he can be dropped for the next match so that Robbie Keane can again totter fruitlessly down the channels.

                            If Fernando Torres then gets injured chasing yet another over-hit pass, Keane can be left marooned on the left while a cut-price import from PSG reserves lurches around up front instead of the £20m striker. His confidence duly shattered, Keane will be ready for redeployment in his preferred position, where, when a punt over the top lands in his path in the 72nd minute, he will dither uncharacteristically and allow someone such as Nigel Reo-Coker to hurtle back and cut him down with an embarrassing last-ditch tackle. Then Keane can be withdrawn – taking the value of the strikers who've left the pitch in the course of the 0-0 draw with a team beaten by Stoke the previous weekend to £50m – and replaced by Yossi Benayoun, who no longer knows where his best position is but is sure that if he does excel he will be benched for the next match.


                            http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...&feed=football
                            damning and 100% accurate. Rafa needs to sort out this **** or pack his bags. I'm still fuming after that display.

                            for all the rafa lovers no a point at villa is not a disaster but playing the way we did is. also this is not a one off blip!

                            Why play keane on the left? anyone of the rcdnw brigade please why did we play keane on the left with a 1 million pound kid upfront? what position were lucas and yossi playing?

                            i read el jef talk about alonso again earlier somewhere, well amigo i don't remember the love child of kuyt and lucas doing much in our midfield either.

                            i remember talking about 10 games and we'll know, well rafa i reckon the utd game is make or break for you. i don't care if we're top after 3 games. playing like this and i'll bet everything i own that we'll not even be top 6 come xmas.

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                              I guarantee Rafa will not win the title for Liverpool this season.

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                                Originally posted by Sarb24 View Post
                                I guarantee Rafa will not win the title for Liverpool this season.
                                Does this guarentee come with a 6 figure cash back warranty?

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