Rafa Discussion Thread

[Red_Polo]

Agreed but the "Rafa is great / Rafa is ****" arguments could be kept in here. I'd like to see a proper discussion on it for once backed with reasoning. For E.G in the new DIC thread it kicked off because someone piped in with " I wouldn't trust Rafa with the Sheikhs millions" and it then kicks off and the thread is about Rafa!! I want these people to keep that sort of **** within this thread.

That is THE problem with the forum at the moment. Whether it can be sorted by this I don't know, but what the **** let's give it a go.

[Rashid]

I am scared to talk about Rafa now for fear of a banning. I bet if I was repetitive about my love for Rafa or spoke totally off topic about Rafa's merits as opposed to my issues with him it would also be different. Just a thought RP.

[Woobus]

I am scared to talk about Rafa now for fear of a banning. I bet if I was repetitive about my love for Rafa or spoke totally off topic about Rafa's merits as opposed to my issues with him it would also be different. Just a thought RP.

I dont think you are any where near the worst one here, at least you dont attack the players with petty insults and try to use proper arguments to discuss.
You were annoying me a while back, specially when you somehow changed the Chelsea women vs Liverpool women thread into a Rafa bashing. We need different opinions or it would be very boring, just as long as every thread doesnt go down the same route and the same points being talked about I am happy.

[Slinky Skills]

I am scared to talk about Rafa now for fear of a banning. I bet if I was repetitive about my love for Rafa or spoke totally off topic about Rafa's merits as opposed to my issues with him it would also be different. Just a thought RP.

That's a fair point actually.

It's a forum mate, if you're not happy with Rafa then you're within your rights to say so. Everyone's allowed an opinion at the end of the day, guess it's when people start banging out personal insults that's when it starts getting out of hand.

People will automatically go into protection mode because we're fans of the club and basically will see anyone that's having a pop at the manager or players as not being supporters which we all know is not the case.

You shouldn't feel that you're being hounded off the site because of your opinion and views, that is just wrong.

[donpisci]

To be honest, I don't think the problem is people with differing opinions, but more the anti-Rafa (for want of a better phrase) posts in EVERY thread.

[Johnny]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..................

[brightred]

Can't disagree with that!

[EwarWoo]

I'm old school.
A manager should be supported no matter what.
If they're doing a **** job (personally I love the guy, but not the point) then it's up to the boardroom staff to discuss behind closed doors and decide a course of action.
However, I believe a supporter should be showing support no matter what.
Discussing the merits however is fine, pro or against, but sticking "he's ****" "sack x" in threads randomly is just bull**** and not support at all.

[rage]

I am scared to talk about Rafa now for fear of a banning. I bet if I was repetitive about my love for Rafa or spoke totally off topic about Rafa's merits as opposed to my issues with him it would also be different. Just a thought RP.

That's a fair point actually.

It's a forum mate, if you're not happy with Rafa then you're within your rights to say so. Everyone's allowed an opinion at the end of the day, guess it's when people start banging out personal insults that's when it starts getting out of hand.

People will automatically go into protection mode because we're fans of the club and basically will see anyone that's having a pop at the manager or players as not being supporters which we all know is not the case.

You shouldn't feel that you're being hounded off the site because of your opinion and views, that is just wrong.

i've always thought of myself as pro liverpool, the rafa stuff is secondary. its clear as day that this forum has a bias towards supporting the manager regardless of where he takes us and if anything i am proud of that slant even though i do not share it.

rp can warn myself and others, thats his prerogative, but for the record i have not and will never ask for a fellow member to be banned because he/she disagrees with me. there are lads like johnny, frodo and el jef that i disagree with but their opinion as far as i'm concerned is just as valid as mine. even though they also have a tendency to convert every thread also into a pro rafa thread i don't see that being held up for close examination (and nor would i).

there are also a number of posters on here who have also decided to call me a variety of names, something which actually is of small consequence when directed towards me via a laptop from god knows where. However, i am in no doubt whatsoever that had rashid, sarb or i been the ones doing the name calling we would have found ourselves banned.

taking an 'anti rafa' position is not one as a wum. it is out of the believe that after 4 years rafa has failed to move us into a position that fans like myself aspired for. maybe we expected too much after the first season that saw istanbul. but by winning that night it was rafa that set the marker of how high our ambition should be.

my impression from rp's last post in the 'rafa warning' thread is that criticism of the manager is out of bounds. i understand and accept this in say a thread about dic but come on what about transfers (last i looked rafa buys these players), team selections, tactics on the pitch, post match interviews and indeed newspaper articles such as in the above mentioned thread?

i used the term 'the rafalution is dead' in the other thread. immediately i was subject to personal criticism. as i stated earlier that is of no consequence to me. however to those who criticise me, tell me of a revolution that sets its sights on not overthrowing the previous regime? if it fails to overthrow what it rose up against then it has failed. whether you agree with me or not can you see why someone would interpret the tone of that interview to be such?

like many here i followed the exodus from koptalk. est for people like myself was an opportunity to take part in a forum of equity and integrity leaving behind the censorship, double standards and deceitfulness that was koptalk.

i will continue to debate rafa's decisions and comments in threads such as transfer targets, team selections, tactics and interviews he gives. whilst recently most of my posts have been critical towards him i feel that i am more than capable of giving credit where its due. rp if that results in a ban then so be it

[Johnny]

i've always thought of myself as pro liverpool, the rafa stuff is secondary. its clear as day that this forum has a bias towards supporting the manager regardless of where he takes us and if anything i am proud of that slant even though i do not share it.

rp can warn myself and others, thats his prerogative, but for the record i have not and will never ask for a fellow member to be banned because he/she disagrees with me. there are lads like johnny, frodo and el jef that i disagree with but their opinion as far as i'm concerned is just as valid as mine. even though they also have a tendency to convert every thread also into a pro rafa thread i don't see that being held up for close examination (and nor would i).

there are also a number of posters on here who have also decided to call me a variety of names, something which actually is of small consequence when directed towards me via a laptop from god knows where. However, i am in no doubt whatsoever that had rashid, sarb or i been the ones doing the name calling we would have found ourselves banned.

taking an 'anti rafa' position is not one as a wum. it is out of the believe that after 4 years rafa has failed to move us into a position that fans like myself aspired for. maybe we expected too much after the first season that saw istanbul. but by winning that night it was rafa that set the marker of how high our ambition should be.

my impression from rp's last post in the 'rafa warning' thread is that criticism of the manager is out of bounds. i understand and accept this in say a thread about dic but come on what about transfers (last i looked rafa buys these players), team selections, tactics on the pitch, post match interviews and indeed newspaper articles such as in the above mentioned thread?

i used the term 'the rafalution is dead' in the other thread. immediately i was subject to personal criticism. as i stated earlier that is of no consequence to me. however to those who criticise me, tell me of a revolution that sets its sights on not overthrowing the previous regime? if it fails to overthrow what it rose up against then it has failed. whether you agree with me or not can you see why someone would interpret the tone of that interview to be such?

like many here i followed the exodus from koptalk. est for people like myself was an opportunity to take part in a forum of equity and integrity leaving behind the censorship, double standards and deceitfulness that was koptalk.

i will continue to debate rafa's decisions and comments in threads such as transfer targets, team selections, tactics and interviews he gives. whilst recently most of my posts have been critical towards him i feel that i am more than capable of giving credit where its due. rp if that results in a ban then so be it

Good post,nobody wants to censor you,it just seems lately that you and a few others have managed to hijack every thread and turn it into an anti-Rafa thread.I`d never condone a banning for giving your opinion.It is a forum,but as I said on another thread it`s just getting to the point where it`s a waste of time logging on here nowadays because I know every thread will have exactly the same Anti-Rafa points as there was in yesterdays threads.

[Sarb]

i've always thought of myself as pro liverpool, the rafa stuff is secondary. its clear as day that this forum has a bias towards supporting the manager regardless of where he takes us and if anything i am proud of that slant even though i do not share it.

rp can warn myself and others, thats his prerogative, but for the record i have not and will never ask for a fellow member to be banned because he/she disagrees with me. there are lads like johnny, frodo and el jef that i disagree with but their opinion as far as i'm concerned is just as valid as mine. even though they also have a tendency to convert every thread also into a pro rafa thread i don't see that being held up for close examination (and nor would i).

there are also a number of posters on here who have also decided to call me a variety of names, something which actually is of small consequence when directed towards me via a laptop from god knows where. However, i am in no doubt whatsoever that had rashid, sarb or i been the ones doing the name calling we would have found ourselves banned.

taking an 'anti rafa' position is not one as a wum. it is out of the believe that after 4 years rafa has failed to move us into a position that fans like myself aspired for. maybe we expected too much after the first season that saw istanbul. but by winning that night it was rafa that set the marker of how high our ambition should be.

my impression from rp's last post in the 'rafa warning' thread is that criticism of the manager is out of bounds. i understand and accept this in say a thread about dic but come on what about transfers (last i looked rafa buys these players), team selections, tactics on the pitch, post match interviews and indeed newspaper articles such as in the above mentioned thread?

i used the term 'the rafalution is dead' in the other thread. immediately i was subject to personal criticism. as i stated earlier that is of no consequence to me. however to those who criticise me, tell me of a revolution that sets its sights on not overthrowing the previous regime? if it fails to overthrow what it rose up against then it has failed. whether you agree with me or not can you see why someone would interpret the tone of that interview to be such?

like many here i followed the exodus from koptalk. est for people like myself was an opportunity to take part in a forum of equity and integrity leaving behind the censorship, double standards and deceitfulness that was koptalk.

i will continue to debate rafa's decisions and comments in threads such as transfer targets, team selections, tactics and interviews he gives. whilst recently most of my posts have been critical towards him i feel that i am more than capable of giving credit where its due. rp if that results in a ban then so be it

[blacky]

i've always thought of myself as pro liverpool, the rafa stuff is secondary. its clear as day that this forum has a bias towards supporting the manager regardless of where he takes us and if anything i am proud of that slant even though i do not share it.

rp can warn myself and others, thats his prerogative, but for the record i have not and will never ask for a fellow member to be banned because he/she disagrees with me. there are lads like johnny, frodo and el jef that i disagree with but their opinion as far as i'm concerned is just as valid as mine. even though they also have a tendency to convert every thread also into a pro rafa thread i don't see that being held up for close examination (and nor would i).

there are also a number of posters on here who have also decided to call me a variety of names, something which actually is of small consequence when directed towards me via a laptop from god knows where. However, i am in no doubt whatsoever that had rashid, sarb or i been the ones doing the name calling we would have found ourselves banned.

taking an 'anti rafa' position is not one as a wum. it is out of the believe that after 4 years rafa has failed to move us into a position that fans like myself aspired for. maybe we expected too much after the first season that saw istanbul. but by winning that night it was rafa that set the marker of how high our ambition should be.

my impression from rp's last post in the 'rafa warning' thread is that criticism of the manager is out of bounds. i understand and accept this in say a thread about dic but come on what about transfers (last i looked rafa buys these players), team selections, tactics on the pitch, post match interviews and indeed newspaper articles such as in the above mentioned thread?

i used the term 'the rafalution is dead' in the other thread. immediately i was subject to personal criticism. as i stated earlier that is of no consequence to me. however to those who criticise me, tell me of a revolution that sets its sights on not overthrowing the previous regime? if it fails to overthrow what it rose up against then it has failed. whether you agree with me or not can you see why someone would interpret the tone of that interview to be such?

like many here i followed the exodus from koptalk. est for people like myself was an opportunity to take part in a forum of equity and integrity leaving behind the censorship, double standards and deceitfulness that was koptalk.

i will continue to debate rafa's decisions and comments in threads such as transfer targets, team selections, tactics and interviews he gives. whilst recently most of my posts have been critical towards him i feel that i am more than capable of giving credit where its due. rp if that results in a ban then so be it

Top post rage. Exactly what I was hoping for in this thread. Cheers.

[barnes10]

i've always thought of myself as pro liverpool, the rafa stuff is secondary. its clear as day that this forum has a bias towards supporting the manager regardless of where he takes us and if anything i am proud of that slant even though i do not share it.

rp can warn myself and others, thats his prerogative, but for the record i have not and will never ask for a fellow member to be banned because he/she disagrees with me. there are lads like johnny, frodo and el jef that i disagree with but their opinion as far as i'm concerned is just as valid as mine. even though they also have a tendency to convert every thread also into a pro rafa thread i don't see that being held up for close examination (and nor would i).

there are also a number of posters on here who have also decided to call me a variety of names, something which actually is of small consequence when directed towards me via a laptop from god knows where. However, i am in no doubt whatsoever that had rashid, sarb or i been the ones doing the name calling we would have found ourselves banned.

taking an 'anti rafa' position is not one as a wum. it is out of the believe that after 4 years rafa has failed to move us into a position that fans like myself aspired for. maybe we expected too much after the first season that saw istanbul. but by winning that night it was rafa that set the marker of how high our ambition should be.

my impression from rp's last post in the 'rafa warning' thread is that criticism of the manager is out of bounds. i understand and accept this in say a thread about dic but come on what about transfers (last i looked rafa buys these players), team selections, tactics on the pitch, post match interviews and indeed newspaper articles such as in the above mentioned thread?

i used the term 'the rafalution is dead' in the other thread. immediately i was subject to personal criticism. as i stated earlier that is of no consequence to me. however to those who criticise me, tell me of a revolution that sets its sights on not overthrowing the previous regime? if it fails to overthrow what it rose up against then it has failed. whether you agree with me or not can you see why someone would interpret the tone of that interview to be such?

like many here i followed the exodus from koptalk. est for people like myself was an opportunity to take part in a forum of equity and integrity leaving behind the censorship, double standards and deceitfulness that was koptalk.

i will continue to debate rafa's decisions and comments in threads such as transfer targets, team selections, tactics and interviews he gives. whilst recently most of my posts have been critical towards him i feel that i am more than capable of giving credit where its due. rp if that results in a ban then so be it

i'm one who finds frustration in constantly having to defend the guy. so i get frustrated that other lfc 'fans' don't give him the fair crack of the whip that i'd expect any supporter to do for their manager.

thats the issue i have with rashid, yourself and sarb's posts. not the point you may be making in relation to the thread you're posting in. the issue is that, whilst you make valid points, the slant is always one that overlooks what the man has to deal with. this, in my view negates the good points you raise and makes it look like you are just constantly on a rant against the man and have an agenda to undermine him.

[FatTony]

i'm one who finds frustration in constantly having to defend the guy. so i get frustrated that other lfc 'fans' don't give him the fair crack of the whip that i'd expect any supporter to do for their manager.

thats the issue i have with rashid, yourself and sarb's posts. not the point you may be making in relation to the thread you're posting in. the issue is that, whilst you make valid points, the slant is always one that overlooks what the man has to deal with. this, in my view negates the good points you raise and makes it look like you are just constantly on a rant against the man and have an agenda to undermine him.

I think he's had a fair crack at the whip though hasn't he? Its 5 years in now, the honeymoon period is over and this is what would happen of any manager, Rafa's not beyond criticism.

When you say that they overlook what he has to deal with, I find that the absolute opposite of that is also true of those who think he can do no wrong. Rafa is in a very privileged position to most managers and this seems to be ignored. I often think that some people think he shops in the football transfer equivalent of PoundStretcher.

Also, those that back him 100% seem to think that they're better supporters for it and the amount of personal abuse being handed out to these posters is beyond, its really started to piss me off, and I've fallen for it this morning after biting my lip for ages and called HBM a cock...its bringing the whole place down.

Its getting that bad I'm thinking of getting Carra to arrange some hits on some of the posters.

[Harv]

i dont back Rafa 100%, he has made many mistakes, and he will get criticized for it....ive criticized him recently actually.

But i also realize how ****ing hard it is to actually win this league, and how much harder it will get if these Yanks dont **** off.

These negative people dont seem to understand that, they demand to much IMO. And bringing the negative Rafa vibes into every thread pisses me off. You may notice that i only abuse one person BTW

My only beef with Rafa is that i'd wish he would start playing some attractive football, and let some of our players of the leash a bit. We dont get forward anywhere near as much as we could and should