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    A Leading Mentality

    After the performance and result on Satuday lunchtime, we sat at the top of the table, albeit for a few hours. Unfortunately, Manchester City werent able to give us a longer stay.

    This coming weekend will be a slightly different story, however. Assuming we collect three points from our home game against Stoke, we'll end the evening top of the pile, by virtue of the fact that Chelsea dont play until Sunday.

    And then, on Sunday, it's Chelsea v Manchester United.

    Supporting Man Utd just doesnt work and unless it was the last game of the season, with us needing a United win to claim our first title for nearly two decades, i couldnt envisage wanting them to win any game.

    But on Sunday, very unusually, it will be case of not wanting them to lose.

    League tables at this stage of the season dont mean much in terms of trophies, but in terms of mentality, it can be very meaningful for us.

    We're often accused of being overly cautious, Rafa is sometimes considered to be a manager who'd rather keep hold of a point, as opposed to risk losing it in pursuit of all three. This is an accusation that often refers to away games, with the Villa game of 2 weeks ago being used as the latest example.

    However, one wonders how our mentality would be affected by our league position, and more specifically, whether there's an even bigger incentive to go out with a more attacking mindset, if we're sat at the top of the table.

    Assuming we beat Stoke, and Chelsea dont take all three points against Manchester United (i dont think they will), we'll go into the derby as the league leaders. The Merseyside Derby isnt an ideal game to test this theory with, because we rarely go to Goodison with a cautious mentality, derbies just arent like that.

    I personally think we'll beat Stoke and then win at Everton too. After the derby, we go to moneybags Manchester City and it is this game that'll be interesting to watch, in terms of our mentality.

    Will we go there with the intention of keeping it tight, not losing, and hoping to grab a goal, possibly via the brilliant matchwinning pair of Gerrard and Torres? Or will we just go there realising that we're superior, and play our game with the intention of imposing OUR game on them?

    More to the point, will our league position influence this?

    I wonder whether being league leaders would have an impact on our mentality in these type of games.

    I'm of the opinion that if we go into games like City away as league leaders, it would make a difference. I think we'd go there with the confidence of league leaders, almost with a slight swagger, and with the strong desire to consolidate our position, or possibly extend our lead, if other events went our way. There could be a sense of "we're top dogs, and we're going to show why, we're here to win and we will do".

    I think that a certain amount of pressure comes from being top of the pile, the knowledge that others are breathing down your neck can spur you on and the consequence of not winning and being caught or overhauled, can make a difference. You know there will be a psychologically big consequence if you dont win, as you're likely to be knocked off top spot.

    For this reason, i think next weekend could be extremely important for us in terms of shaping our league campaign and how we go into games.

    A win is likely to mean we'll end the weekend top of the table and it's far easier to lead the pack than chase it.

    It could be a pivotol weekend, if not in terms of points, certainly in terms of attitude and mentality. We need a champions' mentality and heading the table could play a big part in that. It could bring the kind of belief and confidence which we have previously lacked, the kind which makes a big difference.

    Here's hoping.

    #2
    Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
    After the performance and result on Satuday lunchtime, we sat at the top of the table, albeit for a few hours. Unfortunately, Manchester City werent able to give us a longer stay.

    This coming weekend will be a slightly different story, however. Assuming we collect three points from our home game against Stoke, we'll end the evening top of the pile, by virtue of the fact that Chelsea dont play until Sunday.

    And then, on Sunday, it's Chelsea v Manchester United.

    Supporting Man Utd just doesnt work and unless it was the last game of the season, with us needing a United win to claim our first title for nearly two decades, i couldnt envisage wanting them to win any game.

    But on Sunday, very unusually, it will be case of not wanting them to lose.

    League tables at this stage of the season dont mean much in terms of trophies, but in terms of mentality, it can be very meaningful for us.

    We're often accused of being overly cautious, Rafa is sometimes considered to be a manager who'd rather keep hold of a point, as opposed to risk losing it in pursuit of all three. This is an accusation that often refers to away games, with the Villa game of 2 weeks ago being used as the latest example.

    However, one wonders how our mentality would be affected by our league position, and more specifically, whether there's an even bigger incentive to go out with a more attacking mindset, if we're sat at the top of the table.

    Assuming we beat Stoke, and Chelsea dont take all three points against Manchester United (i dont think they will), we'll go into the derby as the league leaders. The Merseyside Derby isnt an ideal game to test this theory with, because we rarely go to Goodison with a cautious mentality, derbies just arent like that.

    I personally think we'll beat Stoke and then win at Everton too. After the derby, we go to moneybags Manchester City and it is this game that'll be interesting to watch, in terms of our mentality.

    Will we go there with the intention of keeping it tight, not losing, and hoping to grab a goal, possibly via the brilliant matchwinning pair of Gerrard and Torres? Or will we just go there realising that we're superior, and play our game with the intention of imposing OUR game on them?

    More to the point, will our league position influence this?

    I wonder whether being league leaders would have an impact on our mentality in these type of games.

    I'm of the opinion that if we go into games like City away as league leaders, it would make a difference. I think we'd go there with the confidence of league leaders, almost with a slight swagger, and with the strong desire to consolidate our position, or possibly extend our lead, if other events went our way. There could be a sense of "we're top dogs, and we're going to show why, we're here to win and we will do".

    I think that a certain amount of pressure comes from being top of the pile, the knowledge that others are breathing down your neck can spur you on and the consequence of not winning and being caught or overhauled, can make a difference. You know there will be a psychologically big consequence if you dont win, as you're likely to be knocked off top spot.

    For this reason, i think next weekend could be extremely important for us in terms of shaping our league campaign and how we go into games.

    A win is likely to mean we'll end the weekend top of the table and it's far easier to lead the pack than chase it.

    It could be a pivotol weekend, if not in terms of points, certainly in terms of attitude and mentality. We need a champions' mentality and heading the table could play a big part in that. It could bring the kind of belief and confidence which we have previously lacked, the kind which makes a big difference.

    Here's hoping.

    as ive said before when we go top average players will think they are better and good players will think they are great if the manager can instill this into them

    i also said sunderland and the scum were 2 games imo that would determine our season even at this early stage

    i thought we would win the league before the season and now i know we will

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      #3
      We were on top last season in the early run. I will prefer we sitting on top at the end of the season.

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        #4
        Originally posted by aa4f4fsd47 View Post
        We were on top last season in the early run. I will prefer we sitting on top at the end of the season.



        really

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          #5
          we need to beat stoke. i have a feeling their long throws will give us bother.

          we need to play to our strengths then sit back and enjoy two **** holes of a team beat the crap out of each other for a nil nil draw on sunday. a few injuries therewill also put a smile on my face

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            #6
            Originally posted by rage View Post
            we need to beat stoke. i have a feeling their long throws will give us bother.

            we need to play to our strengths then sit back and enjoy two **** holes of a team beat the crap out of each other for a nil nil draw on sunday. a few injuries therewill also put a smile on my face
            their long throws will give everyone bother!!
            Last edited by red g; 15-09-08, 04:02 PM. Reason: pedant :)
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              #7
              Originally posted by red g View Post
              there long throws will give everyone bother!!

              And the 'there' bit will give most bother. I know, I should just f*** off shouldn't I.

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                #8
                It may give the players more confidence but I doubt it will change Rafa's mindset too much, he only thinks of the next game or two
                Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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                  #9
                  I see your point in some respects, i.e. having a 'hold on to first place’ mentality. However if man u win against chelski, then I feel it would be a major confidence booster for them. Man u are with out their golden boy 'ronaldo', they have lost vidic, rooney isn’t scoring, they have failed to beat newcastle and pompy, lost the super cup final and most recently lost to us the MIGHTY REDS.

                  These are all signs that they lack the confidence at this moment in time. In the past man u have picked them selves up from a poor start to the season and gone on to win the league, but I feel if they lose at chelski then physiologically they will be beaten. In that scenario they would have lost two games to their top 4 rivals early in the season meaning they would always be playing catch up. I feel we would benefit from this as I feel we can do the double on chelski, and we already have 3 points of untd thus we would have the points advantage.

                  If as you state in this thread man u do win then this would give them the confidence to push forwards as they would have won at stanford bridge, which as we can all agree is a very hard place to pick up points nowadays. I and many other Liverpool fans fear man u equalling our title haul of 18 more than anything. Its disgraceful that we have let them catch up considering where they were the last time we won. So personally I hope man u lose to chelski and I hope they lose every other game because do you know what, I feel physically sick just thinking of garry neville smiling as they lift their 18th title, and if it means chelski or arsenal winning the title (only if were out of race) in order to stop the scum then so be it!!!!

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                    #10
                    Hyypia will play against Stoke and their long throws will start our attacks.
                    Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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                      #11
                      Stoke won't get a chance to use their long throws at anfield because we will dominate them so bad that they wont get the ball into those areas. We will overrun them all over the park so i can't see them getting the ball into our areas much at all. Should be a very 1 sided game in terms of possession, they will defend deep

                      And yeh when we beat Stoke i will hope for a draw in the other match

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Beeflfc View Post

                        If as you state in this thread man u do win then this would give them the confidence to push forwards as they would have won at stanford bridge, which as we can all agree is a very hard place to pick up points nowadays. I and many other Liverpool fans fear man u equalling our title haul of 18 more than anything. Its disgraceful that we have let them catch up considering where they were the last time we won. So personally I hope man u lose to chelski and I hope they lose every other game because do you know what, I feel physically sick just thinking of garry neville smiling as they lift their 18th title, and if it means chelski or arsenal winning the title (only if were out of race) in order to stop the scum then so be it!!!!
                        I didnt state in this thread than Man Utd will win, i stated that i didnt feel Chelsea would win.

                        And i'd rather we stopped Man Utd reaching their 18th by winning it ourselves, i dont think it's impossible.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by -V- View Post
                          Stoke won't get a chance to use their long throws at anfield because we will dominate them so bad that they wont get the ball into those areas. We will overrun them all over the park so i can't see them getting the ball into our areas much at all. Should be a very 1 sided game in terms of possession, they will defend deep

                          And yeh when we beat Stoke i will hope for a draw in the other match
                          I think it'd be the best result for us.

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