Why rotation isn't the problem

[Bob]

It's come to my attention that people are making too much of an issue over this rotation lark:

Lets take the premiership as an example here, seeing as thats the competition we all want to win:

Reina - Played every game so far

Finnan - Played every game bar 1 through injury

Carra - Missed west ham game through injury, been in team for all other games appart from Spurs

Hyypia - Sat out 2 games - Chelsea and Newcastle (there will most likely be some changes in this position, with Agger)

Riise - Been injured, unfortunately nothing we could do about that, will most likely stay in the team now.

Gerrard - Played all prem games thus far.

Alonso - Played 6/7 matches - Missed 1st match against Sheff, most would consider correct decision as has looked off the pace, so may not have recovered from World Cup.

Sissoko - Played 6/7 matches - Missed West Ham through Injury

Aurelio - Played 4/7 matches - This is maybe a problem position for us, as we don't seem to have a stand out contender for this spot. Aurelio and Gonzalez are both new to the league, and will take time to settle in. Maybe missing Harry Kewell here.

Bellamy - Played 6/7 matches - Rested v Everton, after internationals, don't see a problem with alternating strikers personally.

Kuyt - Played all 4 games since his first start.


So if the premiership is the competition we want to win, can someone tell me what the big problem is, because it quite evident to me that our team is as follows:

-----------------Reina---------------
--Finnan----Carra----Hyypia---Riise---

--Gerrard---Alonso---Sissoko--Aurelio--

------------Bellamy---Kuyt------------

Bench:

Crouch
Garcia
Dudek
Pennant
Gonzalez

So the way I see it, we have two problem positions CB and LW. Agger has given Rafa a problem by forcing his way into the side, but it will take time for him to take over from Sami. And LW, is a problem because no one has really taken it as their own yet. Lets not forget Gonzalez and Aurelio both new to this league, and we've still got Harry Kewell to come back, who if fit will take this position back.

Whatever that says, its wrong - IMHO rotation is the problem

[Shaggy]

It isn't the problem. This categorically vindicates Rafa's rotation.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=418421&CPID=8&clid=&lid=1490&title=Rotation+in+Premiership

The problem is who is rotated into the side. We have a few players who aren't of a high enough quality to do the business for us. The likes of Zenden, Pennant and Bellamy are being given games when they should either be on the bench or in the stand.

[Bob]

It isn't the problem. This categorically vindicates Rafa's rotation.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=418421&CPID=8&clid=&lid=1490&title=Rotation+in+Premiership

The problem is who is rotated into the side. We have a few players who aren't of a high enough quality to do the business for us. The likes of Zenden, Pennant and Bellamy are being given games when they should either be on the bench or in the stand.

It's the extent of which rafa is changing the team, and to key position and to key players (more importantly our single most key player). And not just the league, Europe as well.

[paulcooper4]

It's the extent of which rafa is changing the team, and to key position and to key players (more importantly our single most key player). And not just the league, Europe as well.

its not

[Morph]

no you can't

he has consistency every 1 in 3 games

I can't be arsed working out for the other games, but lets discount the Charity Shield and the two 3rd round qualifiers, we've only played 2 Champs league proper games and after a brief look accounting for injuries there hasn't been that much of a change, so I'm pretty sure the arguement still stands. I don't see why we need to play the same team consisitently in other competitions, it's a different style of football in europe and certain players are more adaptable to that, like garcia for example.

We wont play the same team in the Carling Cup and I doubt many people will argue with that. then when the FA Cup rolls round, up until the semis these matches take place of prem matches so there wont be a problem.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

It isn't the problem. This categorically vindicates Rafa's rotation.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=418421&CPID=8&clid=&lid=1490&title=Rotation+in+Premiership

The problem is who is rotated into the side. We have a few players who aren't of a high enough quality to do the business for us. The likes of Zenden, Pennant and Bellamy are being given games when they should either be on the bench or in the stand.

Or not at the club at all.

None of them are up to it by a long way.

Gerrard never again on the left. Never.

2-0 down what purpose did Zenden for Sissoko serve?

[Bob]

It isn't the problem. This categorically vindicates Rafa's rotation.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=418421&CPID=8&clid=&lid=1490&title=Rotation+in+Premiership

The problem is who is rotated into the side. We have a few players who aren't of a high enough quality to do the business for us. The likes of Zenden, Pennant and Bellamy are being given games when they should either be on the bench or in the stand.

Villa - APPEARED IN EVERY GAME: 9
Agbonlahor, Angel, Barry, Davis, McCann, Mellberg, Moore, Ridgewell, Sorensen

Port - APPEARED IN EVERY PL GAME: 9
Campbell, Davis, James, Kanu, Mwaruwari, O'Neil, Primus, Stefanovic, Taylor

Chelsea - APPEARED IN EVERY GAME: 6
Drogba, Essien, Kalou, Lampard, Ricardo Carvalho, Shevchenko

APPEARED IN EVERY GAME: 5
Arteta, Cahill, Carsley, Lescott, Neville

Man U - APPEARED IN EVERY PL GAME: 4
Ferdinand, O'Shea, Ronaldo, Saha

Us - APPEARED IN EVERY GAME: 2
Gerrard, Reina

So Paul Coop this stats say the extent is key - this is after 6 games btw!!

[Morph]

Sissoko was giving the ball away far too much today, wasn't doing his job, so off he went. Wether bringing on Zenden was the right choice is a different matter, but I imaginge Rafa was tring to keep posession, and release Gerrard further up the pitch so we didn't have any other options.

[Bob]

Gerrard never again on the left. Never.

2-0 down what purpose did Zenden for Sissoko serve?

[Bob]

Sissoko was giving the ball away far too much today, wasn't doing his job, so off he went. Wether bringing on Zenden was the right choice is a different matter, but I imaginge Rafa was tring to keep posession, and release Gerrard further up the pitch so we didn't have any other options.

His breakie wore off. He was nailed on to be subbed.

[Morph]

Villa - APPEARED IN EVERY GAME: 9
Agbonlahor, Angel, Barry, Davis, McCann, Mellberg, Moore, Ridgewell, Sorensen

Port - APPEARED IN EVERY PL GAME: 9
Campbell, Davis, James, Kanu, Mwaruwari, O'Neil, Primus, Stefanovic, Taylor

Chelsea - APPEARED IN EVERY GAME: 6
Drogba, Essien, Kalou, Lampard, Ricardo Carvalho, Shevchenko

APPEARED IN EVERY GAME: 5
Arteta, Cahill, Carsley, Lescott, Neville

Man U - APPEARED IN EVERY PL GAME: 4
Ferdinand, O'Shea, Ronaldo, Saha

Us - APPEARED IN EVERY GAME: 2
Gerrard, Reina

So Paul Coop this stats say the extent is key - this is after 6 games btw!!

Thats not down to Rafa's rotation tho is it, at best guess Finnan, Riise, SIssoko, Alonso (maybe Carra) would have played all the games if they hadn't been injured/unfit. As would Kuyt had he been with us sooner. So that's 7/8 players.

[Bob]

Thats not down to Rafa's rotation tho is it, at best guess Finnan, Riise, SIssoko, Alonso (maybe Carra) would have played all the games if they hadn't been injured/unfit. As would Kuyt had he been with us sooner. So that's 7/8 players.

Sorry all i was doing was proving that statistics ****ing lie.

[Morph]

Hairy Muff

[paulcooper4]

Hairy Muff

[Diego]

rotation is not at fault here, the real problem is player not being up to the task, bellamy playing every game doesn't seem to matter he's still ****e, and we almost always play with gerrard alonso and sissoko in the team, carra is always there and so is finnan, rotation is not at fault...

you should give it youre all no matter whom you are playing with, and the players didn't show up today, thats what wrong!

so what happens when he picks the same side for 10 games and it doesn't go well, then raffa is a fool cause he didn't change it up, ffs he one of the best managers in the buisness, he won titles with valencia this way and has lead us to two major trophies in two seasons, i think he knows what he is doing...

not saying that he can't make mistakes but this is one of the foundations of his work, rotation plays an important part in his managerial philosophy that has gotten him this far, the problem is that we havent got a good enough squad for him to work with and he's doing the best he can with the little funds he can work with...

he has been after the likes of david villa, and alves and bellamy and pennant are not quite in that quality range...