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    #31
    The Toffees are bricking themselves. Check this out.



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    When Everton take the field for the 205th Merseyside derby this Saturday they will be in the midway point of an eight-day spell that will likely be a milestone in a season that is shaping up to be every bit as disappointing as was feared when the hotly-anticipated new summer signings failed to materialise by the time the campaign kicked off in mid-August.

    The Blues' Carling Cup adventure is already over before it began, ended on Wednesday evening by a mediocre Blackburn side that began the season in a fair amount of disarray themselves but who have beaten David Moyes's side twice already. Now they face the prospect of a date with Liverpool at a time when they appear to be ill-prepared for the blood and thunder of a fixture that has, on balance, not been kind to Everton in recent years, followed by a do-or-die Uefa Cup second leg clash with Standard Liege next Thursday.

    As we've seen in 2005 and again last season after the heartbreak against Fiorentina, this Everton team takes the ending of their European dream incredibly hard and the repercussions on Premier League form have in the past been significant and lasting. Coupled with a defeat to Liverpool, it's conceivable that elimination from the Uefa Cup in the second leg in Liege could send the team's form into a nosedive from which it might not recover... and that would rule out repeat qualification for Europe next year which, coming on the back of last season's relative success, would be a massive let-down.

    So, while the derby may illustrate how the Blues currently measure up against the Sky Four and, depending on the result, is unlikely to prove a defining moment in the season, it could be vital in terms of its psychological effects on the club as it prepares to spring a surprise in Belgium five days later. As opportunities to stand up, be counted and deliver go, derby is as good as it gets.

    Certainly, Everton will be meeting a Liverpool side that is hardly firing on all cylinders itself. Last weekend's 0-0 home draw with Stoke City left the Kop mightily frustrated and the Reds only just scraped past Crewe Alexandra in the Cup on Tuesday. Fernando Torres is still making his way back from injury and Steven Gerrard has yet to find his best form after making a surprisingly quick return from surgery earlier this month.

    The Blues's own problems are no secret, though. In disarray in defence where they have failed to keep a clean sheet all season and shipped 11 goals in five games in the League and unsettled in midfield where Marouane Fellaini in particular has taken his time in settling in following his high-profile, deadline-day move, Moyes's team will have to find their feet quickly if they are to stop the rot and boost morale. Been there 5 minutes

    Joleon Lescott has struggled for form while the three other first-choice members of the back four have all scored own goals which seem to be representative of the uncertainty that pervades the Blues' rearguard at the moment. Up until now, Moyes has really only been able to turn to Leighton Baines to make changes in defence but Tony Hibbert's appearance on the substitute's bench at Blackburn in midweek may finally give him another option in the opposite full-back position.

    And as unpalatable as the thought of Phil Neville in midfield is, it would not be a surprise to see the captain replace either Castillo and Fellaini in central midfield for the derby this weekend in an attempt to tighten up that area of the pitch... that is if Hibbert is even fit enough to start. Fellaini, who has looked unsure of his role thus far, at least has experience of playing against Liverpool — indeed, it was his performances against the dark side for Liege in the Champions League qualifier that persuaded Moyes to sign him before the transfer deadline — but Castillo has made by far the more assured start to life at Goodison than the Belgian.

    Not an easy decision, and it could be that both are sacrificed if Moyes opts for Neville in a four-man midfield completed by Cahill, Arteta (expected to return after missing the cup tie with a virus) and Osman.

    It's up front where the Blues finally have depth, though, thanks to the fitness of Louis Saha. The Frenchman is in line to make his Goodison bow this weekend and could start in a 4-4-2 formation alongside Yakubu. In that pairing, Everton have the makings of one of the deadliest strikeforces in the division but, as ever, the key will be in getting enough of the right kind of service to them, something they failed to do at Ewood Park on Wednesday night.

    Arteta can provide that service, as can Osman on his day, but the physical nature of derby matches means that they will have to be on the top of their game. Thus far, the Blues have looked considerably less than the sum of their individual parts and a rousing performance against the arch enemy in front of a racous Goodison crowd could just be the catalyst they need to get their season going.

    Liverpool will be the sternest test that Moyes's boys have faced so far this season and while they've looked less than convincing against inferior opposition, they have what it takes to claim local bragging rights if they can get their act together on the day — that is, of course, if they're not scuppered by referee Mike Riley...

    Lyndon Lloyd
    Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Slinky Skills View Post
      A guy I work with is a Utd fan. Nice guy he is too to be fair and he never winds me up about the games either so I'll leave him out of it.

      As for the rest of the ****ers, they can all do one. I'm going to go back to giving them stick like I used too. I used to show them and the bitters respect. The same applies for Everton fans too. I'm sick of showing them respect, **** the lot of them.

      I wish Rafa and Liverpool would go back to the way they were before under Shanks, of showing no respect to anyone. We ARE the greatest time on Merseyside and need to let these ****ends know that.

      We can set a massive marker by beating these cunts on Saturday, it will be a massive blow to them pshycologically and will really mess them up considering the state they're in.

      Big time we need that before games like this!! Build up the tension and make a confident statement, the players need to believe we are capable of beating anyone and on our day untouchable especially in derbies!!

      C'mon Redmen!!
      El Nino!!

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        #33


        **** em
        "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."

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          #34
          Originally posted by elvoz View Post
          i must admit i hate derby day
          we can never win
          we win and its "oh all the money you spend " blah blah
          we lose or draw and all the bitters are out later on
          It's when we draw that bothers me the most. If we win, who gives a **** what they say, we've put them in their place again.

          If we lose, we can all laugh as they release a commemorative DVD while still claiming to be a "big club"!

          Draws are just annoying.

          Let's stuff them tomorrow though - Keane and Torres are both due a goal, and they've been conceding them all season - "Keane scored one, Keane scored two, Keane scored three and Keane scored four, na na na na na na na na na"

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            #35
            **** em the bitter ****s. Time to make their season even more ****e. Lets **** the blue****e

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              #36
              they are due a good hiding too 3-0 in their own back yard would be nice

              come on redmen
              "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

              "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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                #37
                Put an end to all of this "big club" talk, get into them and have a comfortable 3-0 win.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Marky View Post
                  You telling me you didnt think we were going to be beaten convincinly when Tevez scored to put United one up as they made fools of the Liverpool defence??? Easy to say now 'aw some fan you are predicting us to get beat' because look what happened we produced a massive performance and deservedly beat United. I didnt think we would beat them, dont think i was alone in that was i???
                  This saturday i think Everton will beat us because the United game aside we've been far from convincing so maybe a defeat is due, unless of course the players produce another big performance and off they go with 3 points again, hopefully they do.
                  I'm entitled to give a prediction and an opinion. If you dont like it then that's your problem.
                  We haven't been convincing yes,but then neither have they so it's there to be won.

                  Your exact quote before the scum game was "We're gonna get battered "

                  I repeat that was "before" the scum game,before Tevez scored.I never,ever watch a game thinking we might get battered,at worst all I ever feel is apprehensive that we may have a battle on our hands to get something from the game.Even after he scored I knew there was plenty of time to do them and I kept the faith as I always do,maybe thats just me but I doubt I'm in the minority.When we do win I deserve to enjoy it,more than the likes of you should be enjoying it since you lacked the faith we could do it in the first place.People like you celebrating a win like that while hours before you were proclaiming as fact that we'd be stuffed make me sick,your not alone though,I've met a few like you on my travels.I'm an optimist and as a Liverpool "supporter" I try to "support " the Team in everything I say and do.That dosen't preclude me from commenting on things I don't believe are right at the club etc but it always prevents me from stupid little remarks such as yours before both these games.We might get beat,thats possible,but I'm not going to come on here and state it as a matter of fact.I have some faith in our team,its not always rewarded but something you should try perhaps.
                  Last edited by G; 26-09-08, 11:59 AM.

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                    #39
                    My one and only derby experience was in 2001 (I think) .

                    I was over from Aust and my blue****e cousin organised a ticket for he and me at goodison. I'm seated in amongst the inbreds and they go one up. I'm the only person not up on their feet celebrating but I was the only one soon enough when we equalised. We went on to thump them 3-1. What a brilliant day that was. Went back to his local afterwards for a few. All the barmaids were Reds. Great time had.
                    Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.

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                      #40
                      My best ever experience was the Gary Mac Darby. ****ing best darby moment ever. I went the match with me dad and his blue****e mate and when Macca scored the winner in the last minute it was ****ing great.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by liverpooltj View Post
                        My best ever experience was the Gary Mac Darby. ****ing best darby moment ever. I went the match with me dad and his blue****e mate and when Macca scored the winner in the last minute it was ****ing great.

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUlejyLFTcM
                        Houllier got many things wrong, but getting Gary Mac and MB on free transfers ranks amongst the best free signings in our club's history
                        "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by liverpooltj View Post
                          My best ever experience was the Gary Mac Darby. ****ing best darby moment ever. I went the match with me dad and his blue****e mate and when Macca scored the winner in the last minute it was ****ing great.

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUlejyLFTcM
                          That was a magical moment alright

                          Hope we don't leave it so late this time round though. My nerves can't take it
                          Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.

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                            #43
                            Everton have been good going forward but ****e in defence. I think we'll see a very counter attacking side with Babel and Riera on the wings and torres up front on his own.

                            My midfield choice would be Mascher, Gerrard and Alonso.

                            Expect to see Agger make his first start of the league season.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by friedk View Post
                              Houllier got many things wrong, but getting Gary Mac and MB on free transfers ranks amongst the best free signings in our club's history
                              I hate initials! Who's MB?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by slimbimjim View Post
                                I hate initials! Who's MB?
                                is it marcus babbel ??
                                "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

                                "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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