Superfan or deluded?

[Rashid]

Without mentioning names, this is something someone said on TLW on Riera. I had to read it 3 times and see subsequent replies to realise that he was actually serious.

His easy style and touches reminds me of Zidane actually. Now he needs to add goals and killer passes to his arsenal before we can make true comparisons.

I think that Zidane in his prime would possibly be like Reira, looking class, still struggling a bit with the physical and frenetic pace of the Premiership.

If he scores 10-15 goals a season, he will cement his place IMO and truly be considered a worthy replacement for Barnes

So Riera is like Zidane and if he adds goals he is a worthy replacement for Barnes? Bloody hell, Riera has done OK but he is never in that class and never will be - in fact he isn't better any wide player our rivals have - he is just the best we have out wide by the looks of things.

So are we the most knowledgable of fans or the most deluded? Since Houllier came in I am inclined to agree with the latter.

[Yozza]

So are we the most knowledgable of fans or the most deluded? Since Houllier came in I am inclined to agree with the latter.

Since reading the majority of your posts I am convinced we are not the former

[Guest]

Without mentioning names, this is something someone said on TLW on Riera. I had to read it 3 times and see subsequent replies to realise that he was actually serious.



So Riera is like Zidane and if he adds goals he is a worthy replacement for Barnes? Bloody hell, Riera has done OK but he is never in that class and never will be - in fact he isn't better any wide player our rivals have - he is just the best we have out wide by the looks of things.

So are we the most knowledgable of fans or the most deluded? Since Houllier came in I am inclined to agree with the latter.

So you take one poster's opinion and generalize it? If someone thinks Zidane is **** does that mean he really is?

We are a team of 11 players. Some of them are better than players in other teams in the same position, some are not. Football is a team game where having the best 11 players in each position on the pitch doesn't necessarily mean success. It's not a scientific field.

[MrMichael]

Nah, that's just a bit of fan hyperbole, after a good result in one of the most important games of the season for morale, and after once again a decent performance from Riera. I don't reckon making generalisations about our entire fanbase on the basis of that quote is at all sensible.

Fans like to be optimistic as a whole. Otherwise supporting a football team, any football team, would be a very miserable experience for all but very few. Optimism doesn't have to be a bad thing in the grand scheme of life does it?

Riera currently looks like a perfectly reasonable purchase. He might even turn out to be a pretty good one. No need to make a major issue over a simple exaggeration of that really is there?

[Rashid]

I think I am over the top in my negativity towards Houllier and Rafa but that's only because both prefer the long ball, over tactical boring brands of football. I also think it is possible to be over the top in being positive too like this guy is comparing Riera to Zidane reminding me Danny Murphy being copared to Platini.

The point I am making is that LFC fans are becoming as deluded as the bitters in some cases... we haven't won the league in 18 years and I have to say reading some forums it seems like it's only been 2 years....

[MrMichael]

Why want to make that point though? Its hardly like its going to engender a thoughtful and interesting debate is it?

[bobbyfallon]

reira does not = barnes or zidane - never will.

love the fellas optimism. i am also excited about our prospects this season and until were out of it il live in hope

come on redmen

[Rashid]

Why want to make that point though? Its hardly like its going to engender a thoughtful and interesting debate is it?

Up and down the land we are known as the most knowledgable fanbase in the world, its our USP. I agree about being positive, I am a Rafa defender to my non LFC fans who all think he is useless and want him to stay for years. I even defend Kuyt... but on forums I am different.

This is a good debate to have and whether people on forums go too far trying to prove how much of a superfan they are in print. I know lads from Liverpool and away from the game and believe me the level of over the top hyperbole on Rafa and some of the players doesn't exist away from forums.

[bobbyfallon]

I think I am over the top in my negativity towards Houllier and Rafa but that's only because both prefer the long ball, over tactical boring brands of football. I also think it is possible to be over the top in being positive too like this guy is comparing Riera to Zidane reminding me Danny Murphy being copared to Platini.

The point I am making is that LFC fans are becoming as deluded as the bitters in some cases... we haven't won the league in 18 years and I have to say reading some forums it seems like it's only been 2 years....

we are a sleeping giant though rashid - everton never ever set out their season in hope of actually winning the league they know its beyond them. we are just a couple of results away each season - against the big teams we dont and maybe cant compete. not sure why but at times i feel as though we have some kind of inferiority complex against them. beating united is like a six point swing for us this year - and its only the start. a good reason to be optomistic ???

[The_weatherman]

I think I am over the top in my negativity towards Houllier and Rafa but that's only because both prefer the long ball, over tactical boring brands of football. I also think it is possible to be over the top in being positive too like this guy is comparing Riera to Zidane reminding me Danny Murphy being copared to Platini.

The point I am making is that LFC fans are becoming as deluded as the bitters in some cases... we haven't won the league in 18 years and I have to say reading some forums it seems like it's only been 2 years....

I don't think we need this comparison now after yesterday's game, I didn't notice too much longballs, Riera is eliminating the need for that, Rafa's system is not based on long balls either, we sometimes see it out of frustration or when we don't play well. Let's be positive, it's healthy.

[MrMichael]

Ok, hands up anyone who isn't painfully aware that we haven't won the league in 18 years?

Anyone.... anyone? You, over there, was that a hand? No, ok, didn't think so.

Ok, lets try another. Hands up who thinks we're favourites to end that barren run this season?

Yeah, ok Fredo, anyone else? Hmmmm, not a lot of hands there either I'm afraid

OK, one last one. And hands up who thinks we've had a decent start to the season so far and should just enjoy victories over our bitterest rivals and have a bit of hope for what might come? *hands shoot up* Ah, now that's more like it.

There we go, wasn't that fun? We might as well now close the forum for a week.

[mchaggis]

Any fan who thinks he knows anything about football and wasn't at least playing at a very high level is deluded.

football manager games don't count.

[bobbyfallon]

rashid i dont like the long ball either none of us do.. sometimes when we are closed down quickly it the only option to get it safe???

ok il prob get shot for this but i think carra is the worst culprit for the long ball

*hides*

[MrMichael]

This is a good debate to have and whether people on forums go too far trying to prove how much of a superfan they are in print. I know lads from Liverpool and away from the game and believe me the level of over the top hyperbole on Rafa and some of the players doesn't exist away from forums.

I don't think that many people do. Certainly no more than others try to make a thing out of that perceived trend and go too far the other way, deliberately over-egging criticisms. Its just human nature. Tell you what, find me 10 posts from 10 different posters on here in the last fortnight containing "over the top hyperbole on Rafa". I don't think you'd be able to, and therefore that makes the one or two you might find the exception rather than the rule.

[beabeasdad]

Without mentioning names, this is something someone said on TLW on Riera. I had to read it 3 times and see subsequent replies to realise that he was actually serious.



So Riera is like Zidane and if he adds goals he is a worthy replacement for Barnes? Bloody hell, Riera has done OK but he is never in that class and never will be - in fact he isn't better any wide player our rivals have - he is just the best we have out wide by the looks of things.

So are we the most knowledgable of fans or the most deluded? Since Houllier came in I am inclined to agree with the latter.

If you read it on TLW why not go and discuss it over there?