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    Good article from Andy Gray..

    From Sky:
    Tinkerman tailored?
    Rafa is learning to contain his tinkering

    I said at the start of the season that for the first time in many years, Liverpool have a genuine chance of contesting the title. Nothing I've seen in the first quarter of the season has made me change my mind.

    I don't think they are playing brilliant football but I do think they've played quite well at times in various games and they've shown huge desire, particularly in the four games when they've fallen behind and come back to win.

    I don't think they are purring or at full tilt yet, which is good for them if there's better to come. They're sitting joint top of the table, they're unbeaten this season and on the face of things this is an opportunity for Liverpool to contest the league.

    But only if Rafael Benitez wants to do so.

    Over the next few months we will find out if he really is willing to have a go at winning the Premier League. Can he resist the temptation to rest players in certain games? Too often his stats and his computers have said that players are tired and he has rested them when he didn't really need to. Over the last three years that has cost them an awful lot of points.

    Of course you need to keep an eye on somebody like Fernando Torres, particularly after his efforts at the European Championships, but a 24-year-old doesn't need resting in September or October. It's been noticeable that Benitez has kept playing the likes of Torres and Steven Gerrard so far this year and perhaps those players will drop out of a Champions League group game once they have clinched qualification.

    They should do that soon and perhaps Torres can have a rest on Matchday Five and Matchday Six. You should only rest your big players occasionally in games that don't mean anything.

    Manipulates

    The way in which Benitez tinkers with and manipulates his team selection will determine how close they will go to the title.

    I still believe they can be in the frame next April if they want to be. That's because the squad has the experience now and also because Benitez has learned that Liverpool fans actually want to win the league again.

    Of course it is a major achievement to win the Champions League, but that competition is much easier to win than the Premier League. In the Champions League, you only need to play a maximum of 17 games and you can probably win it by only winning 10 of them. You obviously cannot win the Premier League with just 10 wins!

    Benitez has already proved he has what it takes to steer this team to the Champions League, but has he got it in his make-up to do what he did in Spain and win a major title?

    He might deny it, but I think he has definitely prioritised the Champions League in the past and there have been too many occasions when he has unnecessarily rested players. He has been too often the tinkerman, but I think he has learned his lesson because he has been less so this year.

    If you look at the spine of the side it has remained more or less intact all season. Jose Reina, Jamie Carragher, Martin Skrtel (or Daniel Agger when he's injured), Xavi Alonso, Gerrard, Dirk Kuyt. Torres and Robbie Keane have all played when necessary. With that consistency of team selection, I don't think it's a coincidence that Liverpool have had their best start in years.

    Challenge

    Of course, there's no reason why a big club like Liverpool can't contend both the Premier League and Champions League in one season. Perhaps they can rest players in later Champions League group games or in the FA Cup if they don't want to take that too seriously and they would still have enough to challenge for the biggest two club competitions in the world.

    At the other end of the scale to Benitez, you've got a man in Luiz Felipe Scolari who says he wants to win all four of the competitions his team are playing in. That's the kind of thing I like to hear from a manager.

    Speaking of Chelsea, I think we will learn a little bit more about Liverpool after their Super Sunday clash at Stamford Bridge.

    I'm so interested to see what Benitez does with his team. If Torres and Keane are fit will he pick both of them and put Gerrard in midfield? Or will he get that cautious streak again and play Gerrard off a lone frontman in front of a four-man midfield?

    I hope he has a full squad to pick from because that will give us a great insight into how he feels. Is he confident and full of belief or is he worried about Chelsea?

    All the talk is that Torres is out, but I don't believe it's a big injury and having had a rest in midweek I wouldn't be surprised if he makes an appearance on Sunday.

    Chelsea have an astonishing home record - but I've said a couple of times this year that every home game Chelsea play without losing means they are a game closer to losing one. Somebody is going to beat them at some time.

    Liverpool are certainly capable of doing that, although these games have been a little tight and a little dull over the last few years when Jose Mourinho and Benitez have been in charge.

    I'm hoping that Scolari's influence will give us a more open game, particularly when you combine that with Liverpool's new-found belief. It would be great for the game of football if we saw a nice attacking match on Sunday.

    But if you were to ask me now if Benitez will open the game up away from home against a team like Chelsea, I'd say no.

    I just don't think it's in his nature.

    #2
    'Good' ? It's ****
    Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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      #3
      Originally posted by wiw View Post
      'Good' ? It's ****
      It's just an article written to back up his previous bull**** of the last 4 years. Rafa hardly rested Torres or Gerrard last year, only Reading could be used against him and he had just found out he was getting the sack if he didnt win the next game. Can hardly blame Rafa for that IMO.
      Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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        #4
        'also because Benitez has learned that Liverpool fans actually want to win the league again.'

        **** i hate andy gray...
        "These stories have as much relation to the truth as an egg to a chestnut." - Racing Santander President Francisco Pernia

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          #5
          ****e article. He constantly talks ****e. He thinks he knows better than Rafa but Gray doesnt have a ****ing clue most of the time. He just chats ****e all the time and gets away with it because he is in a powerful media position

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            #6
            So he's basically saying we could have been challenging for the title these past few seasons, but we haven't because Rafa didn't want to - total bull****.

            "Jose Reina, Jamie Carragher, Martin Skrtel (or Daniel Agger when he's injured), Xavi Alonso, Gerrard, Dirk Kuyt. Torres and Robbie Keane have all played when necessary."

            I'm sure if you check the stats, most of those players, barring injury, played most of our league games last season.
            "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."

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              #7
              'Good' is the new uninformed ****e.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Skunk View Post
                'Good' is the new uninformed ****e.
                Or Gray is the new cack

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                  #9
                  I see he had to get the "Gerrard in the centre" bull**** in there as well. ****ing prick. I don't mean to open a can of worms here, but the team is all about playing to your strenghts. Just because Gerrard might class himself as a centre midfielder, doesnt mean that he needs to play there when the team can be better with him in the hole...

                  For example, assuming that Torres doesn't make the game, which is a stronger line-up (also considering that we are playing Chelsea away, who will play with 3 centre midfielders)

                  ---------------reina---------------
                  arbeloa--carra-------agger--dossena

                  benny--gerrard-----mascherano-riera

                  -------kuyt---------keane----------


                  or

                  ---------------REINA-----------------
                  ARBELOA--CARRA---AGGER---DOSSENA

                  --------ALONSO-----MASCH----------

                  KUYT---------GERRARD----------RIERA

                  --------------KEANE------------------


                  for me it is the second formation every time.

                  I have said it before and i will say it again, I would ****in love to see Andy Gray to take the plinge and go and **** off and manage a team. I'm telling you he'd go and **** it up and then his credability ratig would be a load of ****e.... If you think of it, the best rated pundits and probably Hansen and Gray - and both didn't have the balls to go and take a job. I also ****in hate Lawro for his condescending tone when Liverpool concede a goal. This is coming from the guy that was brought in by Kevin Keegan to sort out the newcastle defense circa '97 and they went away and lost 5-0 within him being there 2 minutes.... and the guy was fired then soon after. Yet he still has the gaul to go away and critisise top teams like Liverpool and top managers like Rafa.....give me a break Lawro. I like Thompson as a pundit, not just because he obviously loves the reds, but even when he covers other matches.... he is much more fare and honest in his assessment - i think it is perhaps because he has recently been involved in the day-to-day management (or assistant management!!!) of a team. He understands the limitations and also is realistic in his assessment.

                  You know what I would really like to see Sky do, for every game, get a current manager in as a studio analyst. I know that curbishley used to do it for them on occasions, but wouldn't it be interesting to see Steve Bruce as a studio guy for the chelsea v liverpool game (it'd have to be on widescreen though to get his fat head into the screen!!!) - that way when he comes out with ****e like, "the defender should have done better there" - somebody could say, hang on a sec fathead, why didn't your defenders do better last week so dickhead???

                  One team that Sky never seem to critisise is Man United - probably because they are afraid that Ferguson will tell them to **** off and not get any more interviews with them!!!

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                    #10
                    "I'm so interested to see what Benitez does with his team. If Torres and Keane are fit will he pick both of them and put Gerrard in midfield? Or will he get that cautious streak again and play Gerrard off a lone frontman in front of a four-man midfield?"

                    whether a 4-2-3-1 is less offensive a tactic than 4-4-2 with keane dropping deep is debatebale. he's raises some valid points in this article but again spouts out old cliches.
                    play your best players all the time, play a 442, have a 20+ goal a season striker, wingers who get to the byline and 6ft hard men in midfield.
                    life's so ****ing easy innit?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by fred_plasticine View Post
                      "I'm so interested to see what Benitez does with his team. If Torres and Keane are fit will he pick both of them and put Gerrard in midfield? Or will he get that cautious streak again and play Gerrard off a lone frontman in front of a four-man midfield?"

                      whether a 4-2-3-1 is less offensive a tactic than 4-4-2 with keane dropping deep is debatebale. he's raises some valid points in this article but again spouts out old cliches.
                      play your best players all the time, play a 442, have a 20+ goal a season striker, wingers who get to the byline and 6ft hard men in midfield.
                      life's so ****ing easy innit?
                      The only problem with his argument is that it's false. When we played 4-2-3-1 last season it was with Babel & Kuyt on the flanks, making up part of a 4 man attack ahead of a 2 man midfield. A very similar formation to the one used by Scolari.
                      "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by friedk View Post
                        The only problem with his argument is that it's false. When we played 4-2-3-1 last season it was with Babel & Kuyt on the flanks, making up part of a 4 man attack ahead of a 2 man midfield. A very similar formation to the one used by Scolari.


                        exactly....he always has to start with the gerrard in the middle ****e..... **** off gray you prick....

                        liverpool are a ****in awesome attacking team with a 4-2-3-1 formation

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                          #13
                          What a patronising, condescending and arrogant ****wit. What gives Gray - a ****ing co-commentator - the impression that he can tell Rafael Benitez - a highly decorated manager of the highest order - that he is "finally learning"?
                          Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by frank the tank View Post
                            You know what I would really like to see Sky do, for every game, get a current manager in as a studio analyst. I know that curbishley used to do it for them on occasions, but wouldn't it be interesting to see Steve Bruce as a studio guy for the chelsea v liverpool game (it'd have to be on widescreen though to get his fat head into the screen!!!) - that way when he comes out with ****e like, "the defender should have done better there" - somebody could say, hang on a sec fathead, why didn't your defenders do better last week so dickhead???
                            Did anyone hear 5Live last night? I switched on for about a minute to hear Marcotti banging on about how defensive we would be tomorrow (he could be right) and how Rafa would make sure we got all our players behind the ball. David Pleat or Graham Taylor (I forget which but they're much the same ) then broke in and said, "I hate this simplistic stuff [or words to that effect] about getting all your players behind the ball. You play as a team. When you've got the ball you attack as a team and when you don't you defend as a team..." I had to switch off then but I'd love to know what Marcotti (yawn) said afterwards.

                            I certainly would rather listen to analysis by ex-managers than ex-players and, especially, journalists. Current managers though are generally too polite - they have to be managers who won't get another job so they can be relatively honest.

                            Of course some of them aren't polite - for instance, Redknapp about Capello or Allardyce about Rafa - but you can't help thinking they have a grudge.
                            Last edited by Neil Young; 25-10-08, 12:20 PM.
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                            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                            May the Lord bless this post.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                              What a patronising, condescending and arrogant ****wit. What gives Gray - a ****ing co-commentator - the impression that he can tell Rafael Benitez - a highly decorated manager of the highest order - that he is "finally learning"?
                              His over-inflated obese ego
                              Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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