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“At a football club, there’s a holy trinity - the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques”. Bill Shankly
We were lucky at times but you have to be in the big games. There has been no end of times when they or Man Utd have scored a lucky winner against us.
But redit to us we still created the opening and as they say, you make your own luck in football. After that fortunate goal we continued to create chances and can count ourselves unfortunate to not have added another. Chelsea created only two chances of note in the whole 90 minutes, the Deco one charged down by Carra very early on and the Cole sliced effort late in the game.
This was despiet them having the lions share of the posession. I have to admit that at Half time I thought it was only a matter of time before they scored, but we were magnificent after the break and played much better, meaning to class the result as lucky as the wrong word.
Scolari himself admitted it was a tactical master class by Rafa. I doubt Mourinho would have said the same.
To sum it up in one sentence I would say the goal we scored was fortunate, but that the result certainly was not.
In all honesty this is done, if not spoken, by every football fan up and down the country. When you come up against a far better team and get beat you have to accept that what ever happened you were gonna end up getting beat.
But when you get beat by a team you consider your equal, or one you consider yourself to be better than, you will always look back at missed chances and "lucky" breaks for the other team.
I'm sure Arsenal felt the same when we beat them in the 2001 FA cup. AC Milan will wonder how they lost to us in Istanbul. I was gutted for Stevie when he knocked in an own goal against Chelsea in the League Cup final in 2005.
Small details effect the biggest of games, and sometimes it's hard to accept.
I respect Scolari, a lot, but not too happy with his "they came to defend" comments!! That was a sly dig that could have come from Mourinho, maybe blue really is the colour of bitterness. I'm taking Scolari's praise with a pinch of salt for now. We certainly did not come to defend or play negatively. We just played better in all departments, end of.
Scolari should stick to using his "they came to defend" comments for the little clubs that put 11 men behind the ball and then keep them there for 90 minutes. Come on Scolari, don't turn into John Terry.
I respect Scolari, a lot, but not too happy with his "they came to defend" comments!! That was a sly dig that could have come from Mourinho, maybe blue really is the colour of bitterness. I'm taking Scolari's praise with a pinch of salt for now. We certainly did not come to defend or play negatively. We just played better in all departments, end of.
Scolari should stick to using his "they came to defend" comments for the little clubs that put 11 men behind the ball and then keep them there for 90 minutes. Come on Scolari, don't turn into John Terry.
We went with the intention of keeping it tight and not givinganything away. Our team was set up to stop them playing, not to go and attack. In that sense I can see where Scolari is coming from. We played counter attack football and it worked.
But no one should use it a as a stick to beat us with. No one has beat them at the Bridge for 4 years, so we are hardly gonna go gung ho. There is a time and a place for free flowing football, Sunday was not that day.
Don't know why people get so uptight with comments made by idiots in the press. No point getting hung about it....just take it and move on. They'll always moan about something
Liverpool turned up determined to get a result and played some very impressive football. Kuyt was tireless, Alonso was hungry and Riera was dangerous. They deserved at least one goal and came away with a perfect win.
Chelsea`s performance, in my opinion, was still a good one. We worked hard together and dominated possession in the first half. We had more chances than Liverpool and should`ve put them all away.
A win for Liverpool was a lucky result though.
The goal came from good initiative from Kuyt, a dangerous header into the box, before Alonso struck with power and the ball was in the back of the net. 1-0, ten minutes gone, Game on!
I want to look into the moments leading up to the goal in context with the whole match. Howard Webb thought he was going to referee the match with respect and finesse. If anything was going to test him, the opening two fouls did. Riera and Alonso both clattered into the players they were tackling, dangerously.
Later on in the match, Webb was handing out yellows for any little challenge, just look at Malouda`s card; he had no chance to get out of the way and it`s debatable whether it should`ve been a foul. But back to Webb! Quite a few referees have sent people off for less dangerous challenges than Alonso`s first one. If he had sent him off, where would the goal have come from? If Bosingwa hadn`t swung and missed his clearance, where would the goal have come from? If the shot had been placed, Cech would`ve saved it so where would the goal have come from? I think you get what I`m trying to say. The goal was lucky, yes it went in and any goal is a goal but Liverpool didn`t have to react like they`d found a cure for cancer.
In my local pub, in Surrey, the landlord is from New Zealand. He supports Liverpool. Most of the pub were Liverpool supporters on Sunday and any little glimpse of going forward was met with "GO ON". All the crappy little wide shots from their team were met with giant "OOOOHHHHSSS". Any of our misses or close encounters were met with laughter and jeering. It was, in truth, sickening.
We were 300miles away from their team with none of the pub growing up in Merseyside or even close.
All the pundits and supporters think the second half was one of the text book displays ever. All Liverpool did was put 11 men behind the ball and play long ball attacking football. I laughed when I read what Benitez said in the post-match interview.
'We can go to any stadium and win games.'
'Against a very good team, a very offensive team, we showed we were thinking about winning."
They were thinking about winning, about attacking for the first 10 minutes. After a very lucky goal, some very lucky bookings (should`ve been a red for both teams) and a lucky 80 minutes where Chelsea had the most possession and chances.
The record comes to an end in a performance that deserved a draw. Oh well, lets go and win it all anyway!
After the goal we did hang on a bit in the first half, and? Second half we defended as good as I've seen us, and broke brilliantly.
When UTD came to our ground last year and the year before did they come out and play expansive creative football? No, they came and defended, got a break, scored a goal, got 3 points and went on to win the league.
I think we are a bit too sensitive at times, we aren't the real deal yet, when we are then we will get the respect we deserve. Until then we have to take the slightly negative comments, lets hope we ram them down the doubters throats
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