Agger rising to the challenge

[DannyMan2006]

Right I've cleaned up this thread so lets try to get back on topic and stop the insults and accusations flying around.

I really don't see what you are getting at though. Show me in this thread where someone has ripped into Carragher?

No one has ripped into Carragher in an open way. It's more that people are making out Agger and Skrtel to be better than him that is probably making him pissed off. As he rightly said Carra is one of our players that is easily forgotten about due to the lack of international recognition he has had.

The insults are pointless though.

[Sarb]

I think Skunk has a bit of a point to be honest. Not long ago some people were saying Agger was a goner and bringing up all these rumours about him. Now he's played some decent games, Carra is finished. It's ridiculous really

Agger is a class act but Carra is the best defender at the club. The way some people just change from one view on a player to another is a bit of a joke to be honest

[Reece]

Right seriously now cut out the name calling.

[Joe King]

I for some weird reason prefer Skrtel to Agger but I do think Agger is a fantastic defender and one for us to keep forever. Agger was good yesterday and he is starting to mature a lot more in his role, credit has to go to both Rafa and Carragher's organisation.

[Reece]

I think Skunk has a bit of a point to be honest. Not long ago some people were saying Agger was a goner and bringing up all these rumours about him. Now he's played some decent games, Carra is finished. It's ridiculous really

Agger is a class act but Carra is the best defender at the club. The way some people just change from one view on a player to another is a bit of a joke to be honest

But where is anyone saying Carragher is finished? No one will answer my question!?!?!?! Someone simply asked how long people thought it would be until he did retire, and that when he did - Skrtel was the perfect replacement.

[DannyMan2006]

carra has 2 years left as first choice imo. then another 2 seasons as a 20 game a year. then life first as a defensive coach and eventually as a manager

He has already said that once he is not first choice and playing regularly he will leave the club.

[bobbyfallon]

I think Skunk has a bit of a point to be honest. Not long ago some people were saying Agger was a goner and bringing up all these rumours about him. Now he's played some decent games, Carra is finished. It's ridiculous really

Agger is a class act but Carra is the best defender at the club. The way some people just change from one view on a player to another is a bit of a joke to be honest

[Skunk]

carra has 2 years left as first choice imo. then another 2 seasons as a 20 game a year. then life first as a defensive coach and eventually as a manager

[Scratch]

So according to you Carra only has 2 seasons left at the most, when it's been proved time and time again, especially with Hyppia, that top class defenders can carry on long into their 30's, and we should be looking at phasing him out now?

Why not just admit that Skrtel and Agger together have the FM X factor?

carra has 2 years left as first choice imo. then another 2 seasons as a 20 game a year. then life first as a defensive coach and eventually as a manager

That's what i said, Carra can't go on for ever. I said 2 years at top level, then slowly fading him out. The same happened with Sami, he's not been first choice for a couple of seasons now.

You and your ****ing FM obsession, it's your answer to any critique of Carra. Age comes to us all. ****, one day it might come to you and you'll mature a little.

[PTP]

To be honest I can see why this fella is getting so wound up. The same things wind me up. Carragher is by a country mile far and away our best defender at the club, and yet countless times I have seen people post that Skrtel, Agger and even both were better than him. They are nowhere near in the same league as Carra.

Skrtel and Agger are good players and may one day be as good, or maybe even better than Carra. But that day is a long way away. People should watch us play and count the number of times he bails us out, it's unreal. He is also the organizer at the back - the key man.

If Agger and Skrtel do not improve before Carra leaves us then you can forget the golden gloves awards for Reina. Hopefully they will improve.

I agree with you danny - but imo i don't see or believe that anyone in their right minds is doubting Carragher and anyone who doesn't see he is a ****ing legend is smoking crack.

But i don't see with whats wrong with people thinking about the future and the potential pairing of Skrtel and Agger and getting excited about it. Imo it's perfectly reasonably to ask how long carragher has at the top, I for one htink and hope he will still be playing some part at 35 - but it would laughable for anyone to suggest that any footballer in the world, once there career starts to come to an end (which is usually between 30 and 36 - there is not many regular first teamers in top flight football aged 37 plus is there???) will start everything game and play to the best of the ability week in week out like they did when they were 28.

It just doesn't happen. - I love carragher, he has been everything you could possibly want from a liverpool player and as i have quoted before I remember seeing/hearing tommy smith saying the one compliment that sums up carragher - "shanks would have loved him!" -

but Agger and Skrtel look like great footballers, and if all goes well they could be or maybe should be our centre back partnership for ten years

thats not having a pop at carragher or wishing he was out the way at all - just stating the fact that noone can question - we have two young centrebacks at the club who look to have a great future ahead of them and the potential to have a brilliant partnership

[bobbyfallon]

He has already said that once he is not first choice and playing regularly he will leave the club.

right ? didnt know that

[Scratch]

He has already said that once he is not first choice and playing regularly he will leave the club.

Where did he say this? In his book?

[Skunk]

But where is anyone saying Carragher is finished? No one will answer my question!?!?!?! Someone simply asked how long people thought it would be until he did retire, and that when he did - Skrtel was the perfect replacement.

IMO at least, it was implied.

Go on the likes of RAWK and Carra barely even gets a mention these days, unless it's criticism, and much of the talk is of when Skrtel and Agger are going to be paired together, based on nothing much.

[slimbimjim]

(which is usually between 30 and 36 - there is not many regular first teamers in top flight football aged 37 plus is there???)

Sheringham and Maldini?

[Reece]

IMO at least, it was implied.

Go on the likes of RAWK and Carra barely even gets a mention these days, unless it's criticism, and much of the talk is of when Skrtel and Agger are going to be paired together, based on nothing much.

Fair enough - but that's RAWK, and it's not fair to bring gripes you have with one forum onto here.
I really don't see how it was implied in that original post. And even if it was, it wouldn't have been knocking him as a player, rather how long he can go on for which is a valid question IMO, and doesn't have to imply that you are also knocking his ability in any way.