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    The Fortunate Dawn.

    After a torrid but somehow effective start to the Premiership, we've risen to the point where we, as fans of Liverpool football club, can finally say: 'we're getting there'. Progress in the Premiership is belatedly being seen by the Anfield faithful, and now, for the first time in Bentiez's reign, we are beginning to display the consistency required of Champions. Almost always prospective title winners lay down a marker early on in the season; a performance which signals their intent, one which lingers in the back of their rivals mind, a performance which shows the world what they're made of. We've notched up 2 already. A club which has previously had a poignantly woeful record against the top 3 clubs has already beaten both of last years Champions League finalists, smashing a 4 year unbeaten home record in the process. And as Ferguson's mind-games begin, we, like the players we support, are sailing on a sea of optimism, and long may it last.

    Most of this optimism stems from fans gawking at Teletext league tables, seeing Liverpool 3 points clear, and jumping up and down it fits of delight. And to coin a common phrase in football: 'the league table never lies', and people are right, it doesn't. But then nor does it display the whole truth.

    Luck. We've been lucky. ****ing lucky, in fact. That should not mask, nor detract from our recent improvement, certainly not. But to ignore it would be a disservice. Funny isn't it, after our comeback against United, we put in a dreary, lackluster performance to Stoke, reluctantly having to settle for 1 point against a side hotly tipped to be relegated. We achieved 4 points from the 2 fixtures, but the way around we got them has blurred reality. I feared for it against last night. I feared we would drop more points after a 'marker' performance against a side we should annihilating. It almost happened. I must stress I was confident before the game, but as Rafa announced the team-sheet, my confidence drained. All the signs were there to make it rational; Rotation was back, key players unavailable, Pennant and Lucas displaying further evidence that they need to be sold, lack of match-winners evident, and playing a side determined to get a point. Against a side showing little ambition, but defending doggedly and making life difficult - symbolising Adams's playing career - we almost became unstuck. As ever though, and has been often this season, the footballing Gods smiled down upon us, and injected an opposing player with a sufficient levels of Lunacy for it to prove decisive.

    This isn't a pessimistic, glass half empty post, but there are concerns and they need to be addressed;

    1) Robbie Keane - For £20 million where does he fit in? On other forums a 'pick your strongest 11 thread' was undertaken, and rightly Robbie Keane didn't feature in a single persons first team. For £20 million that's a joke. Despite being a good footballer, a very good one, actually, he wasn't the right player for us.

    2) Dossena - a further worry of mine. Paying £6-8 million for an Italian fullback I'd expect at the very least for him to be able to defend. He can't. Even under the best defensive organiser in the league - Jamie Carragher - he is all too often in the wrong position and leaves gaping space over the pitch. So far he's proved that he's quite fast for a fat bloke and can occasionally be a threat up top. Cue a predictable long-term injury to Aurelio and I'll be worrying. The jury is very much out.

    3) Strength and Depth - We've got in. When the squad is fully fit our bench is more than a match for our rivals, but the players coming in should of sufficient quality so that the first team is no worse for their influence, they should be able to come in seamlessly and unnoticed, and we should be able to beat sides while resting a few players. That's the signs of champions, and we haven' proved it yet. Lucas, Benayoun, and Pennant wouldn't get anywhere near the first teams of Chelsea, United or Arsenal, and that may well be decisive.

    4) Rafa - So far he's been excellent, last night aside, but he's set us up before. Often many cry out 'he's finally learned!' only for him to go back to his old ways. As we progress in the Champions League, my fears are that we will again become blinded by the prospect of confirming his reputation on the continent and shy away from the Premiership - the trophy we're ultimately paying him to deliver.

    For now we should enjoy our position, smile down at everybody else with a smug and knowing smile, but it would be wise to keep this in mind: the true test is yet to be passed. Can we deliver when the Gods are menstruating? Time will tell.
    Last edited by Charlie; 30-10-08, 04:44 PM.

    #2
    Reagarding Keane being ****e I wonder if you have ever heard about a player called Thierry Henry?

    Costed almost 11 mln when he moved from Italy to Arsenal and was completely rubbish for about 4 or 5 months. Knowlegdeable Arsenal fans where asking: " What the **** ? " I`m not sure if there were fans forums at that time but I`m sure he wouldn`t get into theirs best 16 nevermind 11.

    Who would have thought, eh ?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Brzeczyszczykiewicz View Post
      Reagarding Keane being ****e I wonder if you have ever heard about a player called Thierry Henry?

      Costed almost 11 mln when he moved from Italy to Arsenal and was completely rubbish for about 4 or 5 months. Knowlegdeable Arsenal fans where asking: " What the **** ? " I`m not sure if there were fans forums at that time but I`m sure he wouldn`t get into theirs best 16 nevermind 11.

      Who would have thought, eh ?
      "1) Robbie Keane - For £20 million where does he fit in? On other forums a 'pick your strongest 11 thread' was undertaken, and rightly Robbie Keane didn't feature in a single persons first team. For £20 million that's a joke. Despite being a good footballer, a very good one, actually, he wasn't the right player for us"

      Where exactly has Charlie stated that Robbie Keane is ****e?? On the contrary, he rates him quite highly. Good first post Charlie, and welcome to the madhouse!!!

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        #4
        I was very underwhelmed when we signed Keane. However, even though he isn't playing all that well, I can start to see he is a good addition to the squad. His combination of qualities is unique in our squad and he is a real improvement on the options we had last season.

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          #5
          Thierry Henry and Robbie Keane can't be compared...comparing them is like comparing apples and space shuttles. Robbie keane IS a proven premier league performer, Thierry Henry was NOT a proven premier league performer. He was a foreigner who took time to settle, when he did he was awesome. I don't agree with the original post that Robbie was the wrong player for us but i do agree that it is difficult for us to fit him into our strongest XI and our best formation.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Brzeczyszczykiewicz View Post
            Reagarding Keane being ****e I wonder if you have ever heard about a player called Thierry Henry?

            Costed almost 11 mln when he moved from Italy to Arsenal and was completely rubbish for about 4 or 5 months. Knowlegdeable Arsenal fans where asking: " What the **** ? " I`m not sure if there were fans forums at that time but I`m sure he wouldn`t get into theirs best 16 nevermind 11.

            Who would have thought, eh ?
            That's a complete nonsense arguement. Henry came from Juve, where he was struggling and had to adjust. Keane has been in the league for pretty much all his career coming off his best season with Spurs. I'd champion Keane over most but he's not doing it at the moment. He has and he will be given the time it takes to get going. Hopefully starting Saturday with a couple of goals at up for sale lane.

            I agree with all of what is posted originally. Dossena being fast for a fat bloke We should have got Andy Reid as a left winger as well, then any player wishing to go down the touch line and around the outside would be out for a throw.
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              #7
              as regards the strength in depth......Scum still use the likes of Park, fletcher, orange etc and Arsenal have had to rely on the likes of bendtner etc.....there is only Chelsea who can boast a squad of international players where there are very few weak links, but hey thats what 500million gets you.

              and as for Keane and Dossena, they havent even played twenty games between them......give them chance!!

              As for Rafa leraning i subscribe to that being total bollix and he has always known just never had the team to cope. I cannot subscibe to the fact that a guy so studious in football over 20+ years and has learnt of some of the very best in the game has taken '4 years' to learn the premiership
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                #8
                I'm still not sure that Keane was exactly the right player for us at that price, however I'm with NY in that I think he does add a lot to our squad. If we hadn't got Riera than the Keane move would have seemed like folly but now I think he gives us a lot of options we wouldn't have had. I think he will have been the right signing if he can (by the end of the season) find some scoring form as we needed a striker who could play with Torres and instead of him and the team remain dangerous.

                Dossena needs time. His attacking qualities have impressed me but he really does need to improve defensively to get a regular place in the team.

                I think the point about Rafa is a bit unfair actually. It is pretty clear to me that Rafa's plan for the summer was to make the squad more suitable for the PL (hence the attempts to get Barry). I don't think that Rafa has had to learn any lesson but the changes in team have been marginally less as we have had better players to pick from and people have noticed the changes less as the players coming in have been better.

                I'm going to stick my neck out and say the worry I have is that we don't have the strength in depth in some areas. In particular an injury to Arbeloa or Riera would be a real problem for the team.
                "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                -- William Blake

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                  The first woman I lived with was called Dawn. She certainly was a lucky girl.
                  She didn't marry you then?
                  "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Brzeczyszczykiewicz View Post
                    Reagarding Keane being ****e I wonder if you have ever heard about a player called Thierry Henry?

                    Costed almost 11 mln when he moved from Italy to Arsenal and was completely rubbish for about 4 or 5 months. Knowlegdeable Arsenal fans where asking: " What the **** ? " I`m not sure if there were fans forums at that time but I`m sure he wouldn`t get into theirs best 16 nevermind 11.

                    Who would have thought, eh ?
                    Keane and Henry is the most surreal comparison i've ever heard.

                    As for Henry's 'completely rubbish' start. Well, he scored 17 from 31 in the league, that season. Rubbish.

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                      #11
                      Well lets be fair here we could very well pick a strong Liverpool, strongest maybe, without Keane in it so I would have to agree with the comments. Great player no douibt, £20 mill and the right player for us, id have to say no.
                      RAFA

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Charlie View Post
                        After a torrid but somehow effective start to the Premiership, we've risen to the point where we, as fans of Liverpool football club, can finally say: 'we're getting there'. Progress in the Premiership is belatedly being seen by the Anfield faithful, and now, for the first time in Bentiez's reign, we are beginning to display the consistency required of Champions. Almost always prospective title winners lay down a marker early on in the season; a performance which signals their intent, one which lingers in the back of their rivals mind, a performance which shows the world what they're made of. We've notched up 2 already. A club which has previously had a poignantly woeful record against the top 3 clubs has already beaten both of last years Champions League finalists, smashing a 4 year unbeaten home record in the process. And as Ferguson's mind-games begin, we, like the players we support, are sailing on a sea of optimism, and long may it last.

                        Most of this optimism stems from fans gawking at Teletext league tables, seeing Liverpool 3 points clear, and jumping up and down it fits of delight. And to coin a common phrase in football: 'the league table never lies', and people are right, it doesn't. But then nor does it display the whole truth.

                        Luck. We've been lucky. ****ing lucky, in fact. That should not mask, nor detract from our recent improvement, certainly not. But to ignore it would be a disservice. Funny isn't it, after our comeback against United, we put in a dreary, lackluster performance to Stoke, reluctantly having to settle for 1 point against a side hotly tipped to be relegated. We achieved 4 points from the 2 fixtures, but the way around we got them has blurred reality. I feared for it against last night. I feared we would drop more points after a 'marker' performance against a side we should annihilating. It almost happened. I must stress I was confident before the game, but as Rafa announced the team-sheet, my confidence drained. All the signs were there to make it rational; Rotation was back, key players unavailable, Pennant and Lucas displaying further evidence that they need to be sold, lack of match-winners evident, and playing a side determined to get a point. Against a side showing little ambition, but defending doggedly and making life difficult - symbolising Adams's playing career - we almost became unstuck. As ever though, and has been often this season, the footballing Gods smiled down upon us, and injected an opposing player with a sufficient levels of Lunacy for it to prove decisive.

                        This isn't a pessimistic, glass half empty post, but there are concerns and they need to be addressed;

                        1) Robbie Keane - For £20 million where does he fit in? On other forums a 'pick your strongest 11 thread' was undertaken, and rightly Robbie Keane didn't feature in a single persons first team. For £20 million that's a joke. Despite being a good footballer, a very good one, actually, he wasn't the right player for us.

                        2) Dossena - a further worry of mine. Paying £6-8 million for an Italian fullback I'd expect at the very least for him to be able to defend. He can't. Even under the best defensive organiser in the league - Jamie Carragher - he is all too often in the wrong position and leaves gaping space over the pitch. So far he's proved that he's quite fast for a fat bloke and can occasionally be a threat up top. Cue a predictable long-term injury to Aurelio and I'll be worrying. The jury is very much out.

                        3) Strength and Depth - We've got in. When the squad is fully fit our bench is more than a match for our rivals, but the players coming in should of sufficient quality so that the first team is no worse for their influence, they should be able to come in seamlessly and unnoticed, and we should be able to beat sides while resting a few players. That's the signs of champions, and we haven' proved it yet. Lucas, Benayoun, and Pennant wouldn't get anywhere near the first teams of Chelsea, United or Arsenal, and that may well be decisive.

                        4) Rafa - So far he's been excellent, last night aside, but he's set us up before. Often many cry out 'he's finally learned!' only for him to go back to his old ways. As we progress in the Champions League, my fears are that we will again become blinded by the prospect of confirming his reputation on the continent and shy away from the Premiership - the trophy we're ultimately paying him to deliver.

                        For now we should enjoy our position, smile down at everybody else with a smug and knowing smile, but it would be wise to keep this in mind: the true test is yet to be passed. Can we deliver when the Gods are menstruating? Time will tell.
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                          #13
                          Actually thats a bit harsh ... Great first post .. well written unfortunately full of utter garbage..... Charlie
                          Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
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                            #14
                            Oh, and welcome Charlie.
                            "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                            -- William Blake

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                              #15
                              OK.... he didn`t call him ****e but said that he is not right for us. Thing is we don`t know.
                              And maybe english is my third language so sometimes I have problems with expressing myself clearly but I didn`t compare Henry to Keane, I compared fans reactions to theirs transfers. And thank you Craig H for stats about Henry scoring 17 goals. You `ll probably suprised that at the end of October he had only 1 scored in Premiership and that what I`m talking about. Keane can be our man of the season or might be complete failure but at this moment we just don`t know. So why can`t we focus our attention on positives? I`d say we have plenty things to be happy about.

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