was / is keane worth 20 million?

[saj]

I agree. I was against his signing from the start for a number of reasons. The cornerstone of our (rather modest) success last season was the partnership between Torres and Gerrard playing behind him in the 4-2-3-1. Keane is a second striker so to me it made no sense to bring him in and play him in his best position behind Torres and break-up a tried and tested partnership. That would also open the can of worms of where to play Gerrard, and the only option would probably be on the right - a role where Kuyt has done well IMO.

Of course the other option would have been to revert to 4-4-2 and pair Keane and Torres up front, but the problem with that is it doesn't get the best out of Torres who IMO plays much better up front by himself with someone behind him.

Then you factor in the fee

I think the money would have been far better spent on a creative player for the left or the right, a Joe Cole-type who could carry the ball. That would have made the difference, not Robbie Keane.

Putting all this aside, his performances have not been up to scratch and he is in my eyes a hindrance to the team at the moment. It would take a massive turn-around for him to be a positive influence and be construed as a successful signing.

I agree with all your points. How many times did he even touch the ball in the second half? I can't even remember him touching the ball after he laid the sidewards pass to Torres (who then curled the ball just over). What a waste of money - he's as bad, if not worse than the Dossena. At least Dossena has the excuse of needing time to settle in to new league/country (he won't though as he is crap/fat/slow)

[Shanks]

Was Keane worth 20 mill...No

and is he worth 20mill now.. No..

I would have spent that money much better on?.?.?..

[Mattshark]

I really can't see the point of judging people so early in their LFC careers. I really think that this sort of discussion is pretty pointless until the end of the season.

I'm amazed people are concerned about re-sale values.

[Charly]

Keane has been awful, really. £20m or not.

I have been very disappointed with his work outside the box. His passing is poor, and rarely dribbles. All he does is try to lay the ball of or play someone else in, usuallyfailing.

Its time to drop him, as its clear his confidence is shot to pieces. Eitjer move Stevie G up, or swap in Kuyt, and play Babel on the right

Keane must start showing he can contribute more than once every 5 games.

[EwarWoo]

I really can't understand it to be honest. We're having our greatest season in about 17 years. We're usually picking up points even when we play poor. We're 2nd in the league on goal difference only.

Yet we're dissecting that this players **** and Rafa's making mistakes with x and should be concentrating only on the PL and etc etc.

Aren't we supposed to be supporters? Jumping on negatives even when we're doing well strikes me as wrong.

Things are clearly working and working well as a team whatever the individual performances. And surely that's what matters?

Keane as an individual may not be showing value yet, but the difference in the team is most definately showing the value.

So let's just enjoy it, support and move on.

[Woobus]

Its amazing that half of our team are the worst ever players we have had at the club and we are still up the top. Every week a random player is totally **** and the worst player ever to play in the Liverpool shirt.

[Charly]

I really can't understand it to be honest. We're having our greatest season in about 17 years. We're usually picking up points even when we play poor. We're 2nd in the league on goal difference only.

Yet we're dissecting that this players **** and Rafa's making mistakes with x and should be concentrating only on the PL and etc etc.

Aren't we supposed to be supporters? Jumping on negatives even when we're doing well strikes me as wrong.

Things are clearly working and working well as a team whatever the individual performances. And surely that's what matters?

Keane as an individual may not be showing value yet, but the difference in the team is most definately showing the value.

So let's just enjoy it, support and move on.

Yeah, lets close the forum down as well. No need to talk about things. Lets just move on and enjoy.

[EwarWoo]

Yeah, lets close the forum down as well. No need to talk about things. Lets just move on and enjoy.

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying I don't understand why there's still all this negativity when we're doing so well.

Clearly things are working. Our position shows that.

[SB]

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying I don't understand why there's still all this negativity when we're doing so well.

Clearly things are working. Our position shows that.

We had 21 shots at goal today and none went in

We'd hardly expect to come on here and read " Agger is ****e, get rid" would we.

Strikers are expected to score and when we drop points they are going to get some stick. It goes with the territory, Crouchy was copping it when he first arrived and until Robbie is scoring at will he will get some too.

[EwarWoo]

We had 21 shots at goal today and none went in

We'd hardly expect to come on here and read " Agger is ****e, get rid" would we.

That's not my point. True he had a shocker, but the thread was posted 5 days ago anyways.

Point is we're top of the table, second only on goal difference and we're still looking for negatives?

Even seen one post on here saying he's useless we should have kept Crouch.

I am and was a big fan of Crouch. Never wanted to see him go. But even so, it's horse****. How long did it take Crouch to score his first goal? Yet we're saying he's better than Keane who's been give a dozen games and is scoring at least some of them?

If we'd not got Keane and Crouch had stayed every loss we'd be hearing whining that it wasn't good enough that we didn't get another striker, we should have put up the cash for Keane.

Some people are only happy when it rains.

[SB]

That's not my point. True he had a shocker, but the thread was posted 5 days ago anyways.

Point is we're top of the table, second only on goal difference and we're still looking for negatives?

Even seen one post on here saying he's useless we should have kept Crouch. That's just complete and utter balls, how long did it take Crouch to score his first goal? Yet we're saying he's better than Keane who's been give a dozen games and is scoring at least some of them?

Some people are only happy when it rains.

Just as well they live in the UK then

I'm not bagging him at all but I did expect to see keane get stick from some people when we fail to score with stats like that.

[red g]

He is the worse player in a red shirt this season get rid useless!! ,

oh hang on its that Kuyt sell him!! oh actually he is having a great season so far, he was the worse last year wasnt he?

worse player? Must be Arbeola? he is such a liability, ahh sorry my mistake that was last year he was the liability this year he is great isnt he?

Must be Alonso, oh actually he is found form and is great again......

This constant slagging of players out of form and scapegoating players seems to have the desired effect as Arbeola, Kuyt and Alonso who have all been targetted in the last year and wanted to be sold by the majority are in fact our 3 best players this season imo,

How about we learn from our mistakes and get behind our players?? whats that old saying........

class is permanent and form is temporary.

[Charly]

Crouch was contributing far more than Keane is, goals or no.

[MrsB]

Its amazing that half of our team are the worst ever players we have had at the club and we are still up the top. Every week a random player is totally **** and the worst player ever to play in the Liverpool shirt.

Nah, I always say it's Degen.

Good post.

[saj]

He is the worse player in a red shirt this season get rid useless!! ,

oh hang on its that Kuyt sell him!! oh actually he is having a great season so far, he was the worse last year wasnt he?

worse player? Must be Arbeola? he is such a liability, ahh sorry my mistake that was last year he was the liability this year he is great isnt he?

Must be Alonso, oh actually he is found form and is great again......

This constant slagging of players out of form and scapegoating players seems to have the desired effect as Arbeola, Kuyt and Alonso who have all been targetted in the last year and wanted to be sold by the majority are in fact our 3 best players this season imo,

How about we learn from our mistakes and get behind our players?? whats that old saying........

class is permanent and form is temporary.

That statement is such a cliche and such a myth. Look at Morientes and Cisse - talented players who were signed by us. They never made it. But going by your theory/statement, they would make it no matter what.