West Ham Build-up

[Neil Young]

We do indeed and I understand what you're getting at. However this is the time that it all started going wrong last year and in years before that we'd already fallen off the pace.

I just think that bearing in mind the difference in points over the past few seasons between Utd/Chelsea and ourselves I wouldn't expect us to still be top of the pile having ceded 6 'routine' points at home by this stage of the season.

Hopefully we'll smash them and this drivel will become irrelevant

Yes, that's true.

[rage]

current form table

http://weekendfootball.co.uk/statistics/form.asp

p6 w4 lost 1 drawn 1 same as chelsea.....in fact the form table for the last 6, 8 and 10 games same as chelsea.

the general rule of thumb on here, is finish above chelsea and we will win the league.

or is this some sort of minority report thing and you are complaining about what is going to happen.....how about lets get behind the team, lets hope it doesnt and if it does you can have your moan then ?

how about you watch the football with you're eyes and take them red tints off. we've been playing badly, ffs we drew against fulham and have created very little for most of our games this season. we are where we are in the league but lets not get deluded that we're playing good football.

we need to improve.and i see west ham as a game that we need to grab by the scruff of the neck and win. there can be no excuses.

every year we look back and look at games like stoke and fulham and think what could have been if we'd put away mid table ****e.

whilst i value wins against utd and chelsea our seasons successes are not just built upon beating the big teams, i leave that as an indicator of success of the likes of fat sam's bolton.

[The_weatherman]

Effectively we've lost Torres until the New Year. Even if he's back playing in a fortnight it takes him just as long to get back to standard.

The following are the games he might miss or be just marginally involved in.

Monday, 01 December 2008
Liverpool v West Ham, 20:00 We should beat them without Torres

Saturday, 06 December 2008
Blackburn v Liverpool, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Tuesday, 09 December 2008
PSV Eindhoven v Liverpool, D, 19:45 Don't care tbh

Saturday, 13 December 2008
Liverpool v Hull, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Sunday, 21 December 2008
Arsenal v Liverpool, 16:00 We'll just go for muscle against them

Friday, 26 December 2008
Liverpool v Bolton, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Sunday, 28 December 2008
Newcastle v Liverpool, 12:00 We should beat them without Torres

Saturday, 10 January 2009
Stoke v Liverpool, 17:30 Torres will be back.

In between is a FA cup game though. In december we have 6 games, 3 of them at home and the last away game is the 28th. We could rest him for almost the entire month IMO.

Most of these teams would probably play deep against us anyway and limit the space for Torres.

[mouphy]

Id like to see babel get a run out up front as well, id go for

................Reina
Arbeloa Carra Agger Dossena

Kuyt ...Xabi ..Stevie ...Riera

..............Keane
.................Babel

Subs: Diego, Sami, Yossi, el zhar, Lucas, Ngog, and Darby/Insua

[Matt]

The following are the games he might miss or be just marginally involved in.

Monday, 01 December 2008
Liverpool v West Ham, 20:00 We should beat them without Torres

Saturday, 06 December 2008
Blackburn v Liverpool, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Tuesday, 09 December 2008
PSV Eindhoven v Liverpool, D, 19:45 Don't care tbh

Saturday, 13 December 2008
Liverpool v Hull, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Sunday, 21 December 2008
Arsenal v Liverpool, 16:00 We'll just go for muscle against them

Friday, 26 December 2008
Liverpool v Bolton, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Sunday, 28 December 2008
Newcastle v Liverpool, 12:00 We should beat them without Torres

Saturday, 10 January 2009
Stoke v Liverpool, 17:30 Torres will be back.

In between is a FA cup game though. In december we have 6 games, 3 of them at home and the last away game is the 28th. We could rest him for almost the entire month IMO.

Most of these teams would probably play deep against us anyway and limit the space for Torres.

Oh it could definitely be worse, don't get me wrong but it means there's a lot of pressure on Robbie Keane as if there wasn't enough already.

More importantly, with this latest injury I've had to re-jig my fantasy football side

[Craig_H]

The following are the games he might miss or be just marginally involved in.

Monday, 01 December 2008
Liverpool v West Ham, 20:00 We should beat them without Torres

Saturday, 06 December 2008
Blackburn v Liverpool, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Tuesday, 09 December 2008
PSV Eindhoven v Liverpool, D, 19:45 Don't care tbh

Saturday, 13 December 2008
Liverpool v Hull, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Sunday, 21 December 2008
Arsenal v Liverpool, 16:00 We'll just go for muscle against them

Friday, 26 December 2008
Liverpool v Bolton, 15:00 We should beat them without Torres

Sunday, 28 December 2008
Newcastle v Liverpool, 12:00 We should beat them without Torres

Saturday, 10 January 2009
Stoke v Liverpool, 17:30 Torres will be back.

In between is a FA cup game though. In december we have 6 games, 3 of them at home and the last away game is the 28th. We could rest him for almost the entire month IMO.

Most of these teams would probably play deep against us anyway and limit the space for Torres.

You're not wrong with those games you've listed, but we 'should' also have beaten Fulham WITH Torres. And Stoke too.

Shoulds dont always turn into wins unfortunately.

[The_weatherman]

Oh it could definitely be worse, don't get me wrong but it means there's a lot of pressure on Robbie Keane as if there wasn't enough already.

More importantly, with this latest injury I've had to re-jig my fantasy football side

Oh, I see, anything I can do? Bring you tea or soup? Hope you are feeling better

[The_weatherman]

You're not wrong with those games you've listed, but we 'should' also have beaten Fulham WITH Torres. And Stoke too.

Shoulds dont always turn into wins unfortunately.

True, but if we don't manage ok without him, we have no one else to blame but Robbie Keane

[andyhanrahan]

Reina
Arbeloa Carra Agger Insua
Pennant Alonso Gerrard Babel
Kuyt Keane

[Matt]

Oh, I see, anything I can do? Bring you tea or soup? Hope you are feeling better

Thanks but it's sorted. I've drafted in Anelka.

A sure-fire way to end his goal glut if ever there was one.

[Joe King]

Had to smile at the West Ham website,first post.
Torres OUT!! second post.
Now we just need the other ten to be injured.

Brilliant

Its a must win like our other games. West Ham will be on a high after beating those Mackems.

[Woobus]

we haven't played well lately, we've dropped points and we need to put a stop to it.

Replace "We" with either United or Chelsea, none of the top3 teams have been playing well the last couple of weeks. If United and Chelsea have another bad week along with us then I dont see how it will mean thats it for the league.

[blacky]

how about you watch the football with you're eyes and take them red tints off. we've been playing badly, ffs we drew against fulham and have created very little for most of our games this season. we are where we are in the league but lets not get deluded that we're playing good football.

we need to improve.and i see west ham as a game that we need to grab by the scruff of the neck and win. there can be no excuses.

every year we look back and look at games like stoke and fulham and think what could have been if we'd put away mid table ****e.

whilst i value wins against utd and chelsea our seasons successes are not just built upon beating the big teams, i leave that as an indicator of success of the likes of fat sam's bolton.

In fairness Rage that's a good sign. PLaying poor and winning is what winning the title is all about. I'd be more worried if we were playing really well but still dropping points.

[Craig_H]

In fairness Rage that's a good sign. PLaying poor and winning is what winning the title is all about. I'd be more worried if we were playing really well but still dropping points.

Yeah but you cant get by like that all season. It wont last.

[Woobus]

Yeah but you cant get by like that all season. It wont last.

With the way United and Chelsea have been going as well I think its mostly down to the rest of the league being a lot better this year. Chelsea started of well but lately they have been like us and not destroying teams and United havent been like previous years.