How long should we give kids and new players time to settle?

[Woobus]

It amazes me today just how little time fans give new players and young players a chance to shine. N'gog has played a part in 4 games and he is ****, Dossena 11 games and he is **** and Plessis 5 games and he is ****.
We have moved into a world were people expect instance success and its crazy. If you listen to some people on here we should sell all our summer buys already and get new ones in.
What chance do we have if we write players of after only a few games when they have hardly been in the country long enough to have a decent dump?

[5aq1b]

It amazes me today just how little time fans give new players and young players a chance to shine. N'gog has played a part in 4 games and he is ****, Dossena 11 games and he is **** and Plessis 5 games and he is ****.
We have moved into a world were people expect instance success and its crazy. If you listen to some people on here we should sell all our summer buys already and get new ones in.
What chance do we have if we write players of after only a few games when they have hardly been in the country long enough to have a decent dump?

So you're actually saying as well that they're ****?

[Woobus]

So you're actually saying as well that they're ****?

**** HOT!!! Well maybe not lol, but to hard to decide after so few games especially with the foreign players.

[EwarWoo]

I dunno, it depends on age I reckon and if they're making any progress at all, and if they're a first team type player or only getting the occasional run out.

But new players at least 1 season and kids at least a couple.

[rage]

depends on age, how much we paid and what they do on the pitch. i'm not really bothered about plessis and ngog but doseena should be in a different league to these kids.

that overweight lump is 27 yrs old and a record signing for us in defense. he is the worst defender i have seen at the club in a long time. putting him in the same bracket as a bunch of kids is unfair on the kids and actually imo could be seen as an attempt to cover up this lads deficiencies.

i look forward to him being sold asap.

[barnes10]

i think its 2 seasons is a fair crack of the whip.

however that is assuming the player is working their socks off, bneing a positive influence to the squad - in training, travelling etc etc.

if anyone was signed and wasnt really cutting it on the field but was a drain on the squad as well, then 1 season is enough. e.g diouf

you're right tho. 7/10 games isnt on before writing people off.

[RoadEnd]

If an established player been signed for any top 4 club and being paid £50K plus a week - then I wouldn't expect to wait 2 seasons. I'm more than happy for Dossena to prove me wrong - but I think their are far better left backs we could have signed.

Kuyt was roasted last season - not too many complaining about him this year.
Keane is getting it now. He was not responsible for his transfer fee. I am more confident about Keane coming good then any other player.

[DannyMan2006]

As mentioned the age and quality of the player comes into consideration.

But what also has to be thought about is why a player is not settling. If te reason is due to being slow to pick up the language or the basics of the country they have just moved to, then they must be given extra time.

Sometimes a player will lose confidence if they do not feel part of the squad and can not interact socially. Home sickness is also a major problem. These sort of things can normally improve with time, so that is what the player must be given.

If the problem is adjusting to the pace of the game, then six to twelve months is sometimes what is needed, dependant on the players position. Gomes at Spurs is really struggling, but how long can you afford to give a goalkeeper to settle? That position is where every mistake is highlighted.

Dossena himslef is struggling, I don't know why. But he again comes into the category of not being given much leeway to make errors.

[Exiled_red]

I think age and experience come in to it as well as a run of games in the team. If a player is getting a regular run of games for a substantial period of time then that's the fair time to make an assessment of them if they are experienced players who have been around a bit. If they are experience players who aren't getting a run of games and are in and out of the team I think it's going to take a bit longer.

If you are dealing with kids who are inexperienced it's difficult to make a judgement on them they will need alot longer run of games before they can be judged, as they are still learning the game with every game that they play.

The problem with all this is that the game is very results based and you can't afford to carry any passengers so the nature of the game dictates that you can't keep playing people if they aren't playing well

[Jennings]

I know this going to sound trite, but I think I can tell a good player in his first game or two.

At least I can tell if he is class or not.

[EwarWoo]

I know this going to sound trite, but I think I can tell a good player in his first game or two.

At least I can tell if he is class or not.

But just because a player isn't class doesn't mean we should get rid.

A team full of class players is outside of our price range and some would argue wouldn't work anyway as you need workhorse players to fill out the squad and do the grunt work.

If we dumped anyone who wasn't "class" we'd have dumped Carra, Kuyt, Arbeloa and possibly Alonso who have all been fairly key this season. And in the case of Carra one of the most essential parts of the team for a while now.

And when we won the CL how many "class" players did we have then?

[rage]

But just because a player isn't class doesn't mean we should get rid.

A team full of class players is outside of our price range and some would argue wouldn't work anyway as you need workhorse players to fill out the squad and do the grunt work.

If we dumped anyone who wasn't "class" we'd have dumped Carra, Kuyt, Arbeloa and possibly Alonso who have all been fairly key this season. And in the case of Carra one of the most essential parts of the team for a while now.

And when we won the CL how many "class" players did we have then?

forget class, doseena's not even average.

[red g]

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has leapt to the defence of under-fire defender Andrea Dossena.

The full-back signed for the Reds from Udinese over the summer but has failed to impress since arriving at Anfield.

Indeed, speculation has mounted suggesting that the left-back may leave Merseyside and return to Italy, with Juventus and Roma both linked with a move for the 27-year-old.

However, speaking to the club’s official website, his manager has tipped his defender to improve.

"The main thing for me is that he is working very, very hard," explained the Spaniard, "The other day, against Marseille, he was trying to impress. He was going forward well and, okay, he made some mistakes in defence, but he also blocked some shots."

Benitez also suggested that Dossena was trying too hard and needs to relax when he is out on the pitch. He continued: "He is working very hard, but maybe he needs to be a little bit calmer and relaxed when he plays, because he's a little bit anxious now."

The Italian has made seven league starts for Liverpool this season, but has failed to feature in their last two Premier League games.

Yet Benitez appears adamant that Dossena has a future at the club and revealed he simply needs time to adapt to the English game.

"It's difficult because Italian football is very tactical. Everyone is together and they don't play too many long balls - it's less physical than English football," admitted the Liverpool manager, "So, he will need time - but the main thing for me is that he wants to improve. That's clear."

The Anfield boss did, however, suggest that he would prefer an improvement sooner rather than later from Dossena. He concluded: "He needs to know the system here and he will improve. You never know how long it will take, but hopefully he'll be better in the next game."

[red g]

forget class, doseena's not even average.

sorry mate, but i think dossena's performances may have been below par, but only a fool would judge the mans entire career of which he has been highly rated and called upto the national team on half a dozen games for a new team in a new country.

He looks terrible at the moment but i seem to recall clichy, sagna, vidic, evra, carvalho, skrtel all look decidely dodgy in there first few games

[rage]

sorry mate, but i think dossena's performances may have been below par, but only a fool would judge the mans entire career of which he has been highly rated and called upto the national team on half a dozen games for a new team in a new country.

He looks terrible at the moment but i seem to recall clichy, sagna, vidic, evra, carvalho, skrtel all look decidely dodgy in there first few games

i can only comment on skertl's early career with us, he had a bad debut not a dodgy first few games.

as for the others i'll happily wager that doseena will not ever make it to the levels of those players. if you weren't a liverpool fan you'd look at doseena in a line up and hope that your team attack that side as our weak spot