Something commentator said : West Ham

[ntto]

Thought this needed a thread on it's own as it's not specifically about the game.

The commentator said last night how rafa had spend 70m on 10 (first squad)strikers during his time at the club - which is a hell of a player turnover. I'm not convinved the money is right - I think its a lot more than that given Torres', Keanes and Babels fees.

But that got me thinking about the players - who all has Rafa bought in:

Torres
Keane
Volorin
Babel
Fowler
Bellamy
Crouch
N'Gog
Morientes
Kuyt

Cisse could be added although the deal was made apparently before rafa came in.

And that list doesnt include the likes of Garcia and Benayoun. Who else is there - I'm bound to have missed some.

How many of these can be judged a success? Torres only? Torres, Keane, Babel, Kuyt and N'Gog are the only ones left therefore there others arguably were not a success (although those brought in on a free are worth a punt). Kuyt isnt a success - he was brought as a striker and is now playing as a attacking midfielder. Babel has the potential but isnt there yet. Same (possibly) with N'Gog. Keane has divided the fans. So Torres only? That's not good.

Would somebody like to fill in the transfer amounts for interest sake?

[Craig_H]

I thought hey were counting Cisse. I said to my mate, yeah £70m on 2 strikers, half of that went on Torres (who is brilliant) and Cisse who Rafa didnt want. But i dont think they did count Cisse.

Torres £20m
Keane £20m
Kuyt £10m
Crouch £7m
Morientes £6m
Bellamy £6m

I think it's actually more than £70m in reality.

[Woobus]

Torres £20m
Keane £20m
Kuyt £10m
Crouch £7m
Morientes £6m
Bellamy £6m

I think it's actually more than £70m in reality.

Torres would be the only huge success but would also add Kuyt as a success. We made money on the Bellamy and Crouch deals so the only real failure in my eyes would be Morientes. (Still think its to early to judge Keane)

[Nicey]

Torres would be the only huge success but would also add Kuyt as a success. We made money on the Bellamy and Crouch deals so the only real failure in my eyes would be Morientes. (Still think its to early to judge Keane)

Amen to that shows how successful Rafa has been please lock this thread

[Skillz]

I thought hey were counting Cisse. I said to my mate, yeah £70m on 2 strikers, half of that went on Torres (who is brilliant) and Cisse who Rafa didnt want. But i dont think they did count Cisse.

Torres £20m
Keane £20m
Kuyt £10m
Crouch £7m
Morientes £6m
Bellamy £6m

I think it's actually more than £70m in reality.

I personally consider Torres as 24M GBP. Garcia being the 4M. We didnt count him to keep the cost down and Atletico rated him at 7M to inflate the Torres price, hence the 27M claims in the press. IMO Garcia with a year to go on his contract and wanting to go home was 4M.

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

But we only really lost money on Morientes and profited on others.

If you are not counting Kuyt as a success then you can't count Babel as a failure because he hasn't played up top.

[ntto]

we cant count strikers we sold on at a profit as a success. Success comes on the pitch, not commercially.

Crouch and others who were sold must be judged as a failure as they were sold, therefore not good enough for LFC in Rafas mind. If they were a success they'd still be here

[powerpack]

we cant count strikers we sold on at a profit as a success. Success comes on the pitch, not commercially.

Crouch and others who were sold must be judged as a failure as they were sold, therefore not good enough for LFC in Rafas mind. If they were a success they'd still be here

Erm what's you point apart from having a whinge for the sake of having a whinge? Shall we look at this a bit more objectively.

Torres - Goes without saying
Keane - Proven Premiership striker too early to judge
Voronin - Free transfer, didn't expect much but yes a failure
Babel - Bought as winger, still very early days. Can you guess which current Scum player scored 4, 5 and 9 league goals in his first three seasons? I'll give you a clue he's Portuguese
Fowler - Rafa gave God the chance to say bye to us. 13 goals in 33 appearances over two years, no one expected the Fowler of old, it was still a good return for an ageing player in an ultra-fast league who mainly came on as a Sub and was free.
Bellamy - Was in cracking form for Blackburn. Didn't really do it for us but may have been a different story if he wasn't dogged by injury but yes failure.
Crouch - Wish he was still here. Hat trick again Arsenal, contributed in lots of other ways, did his bit. Crouch was not a failure (Van Nistleroy was sold by Utd so he was a failure by your definition!!!!)
N'Gog - Too early, again no really one I'd expect to set the world alight
Morientes - At the time a very exciting signing will never know what went wrong
Kuyt - Lets judge many people's Liverpool's best player so far this season at the end of his career

How much have Utd spent or Chelsea over that time period. Did you not **** yourself when Shevchenko joined Chelsea - how did that turn out? Or Saha at Utd? Now you might find this difficult but try getting behind the team, give new or newish players a chance and the Manager who brought us number 5 and currently has us sitting on top of the league some credit.

[Big Dave]

I would hardly count Crouch as a failure. Sure we all stood open mouthed when we splashed out £7m on the guy, but I thought he was fantastic for us. Scored quite a lot of goals and also became a regular international. You'd be lucky to get many strikers as good as him for the same money.

And let's not forget, we sold him for the same money when he left.

[EwarWoo]

Shall we look at this a bit more objectively.

Don't think I can disagree with a word of that

[ntto]

Erm what's you point apart from having a whinge for the sake of having a whinge? Shall we look at this a bit more objectively.

Torres - Goes without saying
Keane - Proven Premiership striker too early to judge
Voronin - Free transfer, didn't expect much but yes a failure
Babel - Bought as winger, still very early days. Can you guess which current Scum player scored 4, 5 and 9 league goals in his first three seasons? I'll give you a clue he's Portuguese
Fowler - Rafa gave God the chance to say bye to us. 13 goals in 33 appearances over two years, no one expected the Fowler of old, it was still a good return for an ageing player in an ultra-fast league who mainly came on as a Sub and was free.
Bellamy - Was in cracking form for Blackburn. Didn't really do it for us but may have been a different story if he wasn't dogged by injury but yes failure.
Crouch - Wish he was still here. Hat trick again Arsenal, contributed in lots of other ways, did his bit. Crouch was not a failure (Van Nistleroy was sold by Utd so he was a failure by your definition!!!!)
N'Gog - Too early, again no really one I'd expect to set the world alight
Morientes - At the time a very exciting signing will never know what went wrong
Kuyt - Lets judge many people's Liverpool's best player so far this season at the end of his career

How much have Utd spent or Chelsea over that time period. Did you not **** yourself when Shevchenko joined Chelsea - how did that turn out? Or Saha at Utd? Now you might find this difficult but try getting behind the team, give new or newish players a chance and the Manager who brought us number 5 and currently has us sitting on top of the league some credit.

get off your high horse - I am looking at this objectively. I was repeating what the commentator said last night about 10 strikers bought for the first team in 5 years. Pointing out players is hardly having a whinge. If you have nothing sensible to add then don't reply.

To compare crouch to van nistleroy is a joke. If rafa had wanted crouch to stay i'm sure he would have done - but he wasn't deemed good enough and moved on. That's not my measure - but rafas.

And don't insult me by suggesting i'm not behind the team or the manager. Dickhead.

[Woobus]

we cant count strikers we sold on at a profit as a success. Success comes on the pitch, not commercially.

Crouch and others who were sold must be judged as a failure as they were sold, therefore not good enough for LFC in Rafas mind. If they were a success they'd still be here

Wenger gets praised for bringing in players and selling them at a profit but for some reason Rafa should get slated? Crouch had a good Liverpool career and was a success.

[Craig_H]

Keane - Proven Premiership striker too early to judge

Isnt this something of a contradiction? If he's premiership proven and established, why do we have to wait a season to judge him? The whole reason domestic based players are overpriced, is because they're not meant to need time to 'settle' or adjust.

[Craig_H]

get off your high horse - I am looking at this objectively. I was repeating what the commentator said last night about 10 strikers bought for the first team in 5 years. Pointing out players is hardly having a whinge. If you have nothing sensible to add then don't reply.

To compare crouch to van nistleroy is a joke. If rafa had wanted crouch to stay i'm sure he would have done - but he wasn't deemed good enough and moved on. That's not my measure - but rafas.

And don't insult me by suggesting i'm not behind the team or the manager. Dickhead.

I think Crouch was actually sold because his contract was winding down and he wouldnt sign a new one because he wasnt getting regular 1st team football.

The irony is, we sold Crouch because he insisted on being in the team and we only played 1 striker, so couldnt promise him that.

Then we bought Keane and changed to a 2-striker system.

May as well have kept Crouchy.

Wenger gets praised for bringing in players and selling them at a profit but for some reason Rafa should get slated? Crouch had a good Liverpool career and was a success.

Crouch was a success both on the pitch, and in a business sense off it. Shame we sold him, i rated him highly. He always scored when he was given games. And he's still scoring goals now.

Not sure anyone can seriously slate Rafa for making profit on players. That's just silly

[powerpack]

get off your high horse - I am looking at this objectively. I was repeating what the commentator said last night about 10 strikers bought for the first team in 5 years. Pointing out players is hardly having a whinge. If you have nothing sensible to add then don't reply.

To compare crouch to van nistleroy is a joke. If rafa had wanted crouch to stay i'm sure he would have done - but he wasn't deemed good enough and moved on. That's not my measure - but rafas.

And don't insult me by suggesting i'm not behind the team or the manager. Dickhead.

This is a forum, we all have a right to state what we think. I have not resorted to calling you a 'dickhead' so appeciate it if you refrain from name calling - as its not very intelligent.

At no point did I compare Crouch to Van Nistleroy if you care to read what I said, I was stating that by your definition RVN or any striker that got sold was a failure which I can't agree with.

You say you were just repeating what the commentator said, you did not JUST do that. You added comments like "How many of these can be judged a success?", "not very good is it", called good servants to the club failures - you clearly are not getting behind the club and if that insults you I truely pity you!

ps I'm quite happy on my high horse cheers, there's too much negativity here. Last night was disappointing but for FFS we are top of the league, beat Utd, Everton, Chelsea, through to last 16 of the Champions league. If someone had offered me that position in August I would have bitten their chuffing hand off.