Sack Rafa, Fergie, Scolari and Wenger

[Mattshark]

we should dominate though

listen i would love to say we deserved to and were unlucky but we werent and we need to step up our home form big time - which im sure you know

But that is the only point I made!
Yep, but the point is so does everyone else! We have better away form the mancs who have failed to win 2/3rds of their away games and better home form than Chelsea who have just 3 home wins.

[rage]

lol on one thread you are saying Rafa should not be given a new contract yet because leagues aren't won in December, on this you are degrading winning the biggest club competition in the world because we are losing at half time - ****ing priceless

rafa set his team up that night and lost. it was our destiny to win at istanbul.

i'm not degrading winning the european cup but that was nearly 5 yrs ago in his 1st season.

oh i didn't forget the fa cup win, but souness won us one of them, doesn't mark a good manager.

we're top of the league, and as the thread starter insinuated this has as much to do with the failings of the other 3 teams at least as much as what we've done well.

my point is that with the exception of scolari who's hardly been here a season and is already competing at the top of the league the other two managers in wenger and fergie have proven themselves in the premiership and i doubt very very much whether they'll be sacked anytime soon.

[Mattshark]

rafa set his team up that night and lost. it was our destiny to win at istanbul.

i'm not degrading winning the european cup but that was nearly 5 yrs ago in his 1st season.

oh i didn't forget the fa cup win, but souness won us one of them, doesn't mark a good manager.

we're top of the league, and as the thread starter insinuated this has as much to do with the failings of the other 3 teams at least as much as what we've done well.

my point is that with the exception of scolari who's hardly been here a season and is already competing at the top of the league the other two managers in wenger and fergie have proven themselves in the premiership and i doubt very very much whether they'll be sacked anytime soon.

What about our highest ever premiership points haul and a second European Cup final? How many managers have done that for us recently?

[Neil Young]

rafa set his team up that night and lost. it was our destiny to win at istanbul.

i'm not degrading winning the european cup but that was nearly 5 yrs ago in his 1st season.

oh i didn't forget the fa cup win, but souness won us one of them, doesn't mark a good manager.

we're top of the league, and as the thread starter insinuated this has as much to do with the failings of the other 3 teams at least as much as what we've done well.

my point is that with the exception of scolari who's hardly been here a season and is already competing at the top of the league the other two managers in wenger and fergie have proven themselves in the premiership and i doubt very very much whether they'll be sacked anytime soon.

Although I don't agree your other points are certainly arguable but the bit I've highlighted is laughable. It really is hard to take the rest of what you say at all seriously after that.

[Elvoz]

What about our highest ever premiership points haul and a second European Cup final? How many managers have done that for us recently?

drives me nuts that one

i would rather have less points and a better posi

[Mattshark]

drives me nuts that one

i would rather have less points and a better posi

Yeah, but you can not account for other sides.

[Neil Young]

drives me nuts that one

i would rather have less points and a better posi

Obviously we all would but surely you have to allow for the fact that you can't affect how other teams perform except when you're playing them.

[Elvoz]

Although I don't agree your other points are certainly arguable but the bit I've highlighted is laughable. It really is hard to take the rest of what you say at all seriously after that.

i disagree

playing kewell was a terrible decision and we were fortunate to get away with it
i doubt very much if he stayed on the park we would of won
only an opinion like

[Elvoz]

Obviously we all would but surely you have to allow for the fact that you can't affect how other teams perform except when you're playing them.

but record points total and still finshing 3rd or 4th isnt good enough to me

[Neil Young]

i disagree

playing kewell was a terrible decision and we were fortunate to get away with it
i doubt very much if he stayed on the park we would of won
only an opinion like

You may disagree with his team but the simple fact is we did get away with it, Rafa was the manager when we won our fifth European Cup. Who is to say what would have happened?

It's that sort of empty theorising that gets us precisely nowhere. I mean, rage even appealed to 'Destiny' rather than giving Rafa any credit.

[Neil Young]

but record points total and still finshing 3rd or 4th isnt good enough to me

Perhaps not but it is still an improvement.

[nbryan1764]

rafa set his team up that night and lost. it was our destiny to win at istanbul.

i'm not degrading winning the european cup but that was nearly 5 yrs ago in his 1st season.

oh i didn't forget the fa cup win, but souness won us one of them, doesn't mark a good manager.

we're top of the league, and as the thread starter insinuated this has as much to do with the failings of the other 3 teams at least as much as what we've done well.

my point is that with the exception of scolari who's hardly been here a season and is already competing at the top of the league the other two managers in wenger and fergie have proven themselves in the premiership and i doubt very very much whether they'll be sacked anytime soon.

we did not win the european cup because of one half of football. Ferguson won one FA Cup in his first 4 seasons (obviously doesn't count because Souness won one also) so therefore won nothing. Who is the poor relation?

To have your point of view is your perogative and nobody can tell you your opinion is wrong because it is YOUR opinion and nobody else's. However if you are going to try and back your opinion up you really do need to use better examples.

[The Erectile Banana]

but record points total and still finshing 3rd or 4th isnt good enough to me

I don't think that's fair.

The fact that we came third with our highest ever points total indicates how high the bar has been raised by other teams and that it is harder than ever to win the league now. The margin for error now is tiny - although that seems to have changed somewhat this season.

[rage]

Although I don't agree your other points are certainly arguable but the bit I've highlighted is laughable. It really is hard to take the rest of what you say at all seriously after that.

i really believe it was. 3 nil down and jimmy t was about to be subbed but finnans injured and off he goes. jimmy t later clears off the line

kewell goes off, most of us wandered what on earth he was doing on the pitch.

smicer has the game of his life

the penalty gets saved but alonso follows it up, anywhere else and it'd be cleared

dudek, how he saved the second shevsenko shot in extra time i'll never know

it was our destiny. even with rafa being comprehensively tactically outsmarted we won that night. good thing for him to because without istanbul rafa would have been sacked last year. the fans would not have backed him if not for the 'miracle at istanbul'

[rage]

we did not win the european cup because of one half of football. Ferguson won one FA Cup in his first 4 seasons (obviously doesn't count because Souness won one also) so therefore won nothing. Who is the poor relation?

To have your point of view is your perogative and nobody can tell you your opinion is wrong because it is YOUR opinion and nobody else's. However if you are going to try and back your opinion up you really do need to use better examples.

ferguson won the fa cup and kept his job because of it. but i doubt very much that in the modern game any manager in a top 4 club will be given the time furguson was to deliver the title. the fa cup just no longer has the prestige it once did.