Sack Rafa, Fergie, Scolari and Wenger

[Mattshark]

i really believe it was. 3 nil down and jimmy t was about to be subbed but finnans injured and off he goes. jimmy t later clears off the line

kewell goes off, most of us wandered what on earth he was doing on the pitch.

smicer has the game of his life

the penalty gets saved but alonso follows it up, anywhere else and it'd be cleared

dudek, how he saved the second shevsenko shot in extra time i'll never know

it was our destiny. even with rafa being comprehensively tactically outsmarted we won that night. good thing for him to because without istanbul rafa would have been sacked last year. the fans would not have backed him if not for the 'miracle at istanbul'

Destiny is bollocks. Stuff happens, they lost concentration and ****ed it up and we took advantage.

Destiny doesn't exist.

[Neil Young]

i really believe it was. 3 nil down and jimmy t was about to be subbed but finnans injured and off he goes. jimmy t later clears off the line

kewell goes off, most of us wandered what on earth he was doing on the pitch.

smicer has the game of his life

the penalty gets saved but alonso follows it up, anywhere else and it'd be cleared

dudek, how he saved the second shevsenko shot in extra time i'll never know

it was our destiny. even with rafa being comprehensively tactically outsmarted we won that night. good thing for him to because without istanbul rafa would have been sacked last year. the fans would not have backed him if not for the 'miracle at istanbul'

Well, I'm sure you genuinely believe it but there's absolutely no point my arguing with your faith in higher powers.

[nbryan1764]

ferguson won the fa cup and kept his job because of it. but i doubt very much that in the modern game any manager in a top 4 club will be given the time furguson was to deliver the title. the fa cup just no longer has the prestige it once did.

I don't disagree with that at all. That does not change history and what Ferguson won in those 4 years. All it does in reality is show that in those days there was more patience in the game.

[nbryan1764]

i really believe it was. 3 nil down and jimmy t was about to be subbed but finnans injured and off he goes. jimmy t later clears off the line

kewell goes off, most of us wandered what on earth he was doing on the pitch.

smicer has the game of his life

the penalty gets saved but alonso follows it up, anywhere else and it'd be cleared

dudek, how he saved the second shevsenko shot in extra time i'll never know

it was our destiny. even with rafa being comprehensively tactically outsmarted we won that night. good thing for him to because without istanbul rafa would have been sacked last year. the fans would not have backed him if not for the 'miracle at istanbul'

what about Juve home and away, Chelsea home and away? Even Leverkusen for that matter - outplayed

[rage]

You may disagree with his team but the simple fact is we did get away with it, Rafa was the manager when we won our fifth European Cup. Who is to say what would have happened?

It's that sort of empty theorising that gets us precisely nowhere. I mean, rage even appealed to 'Destiny' rather than giving Rafa any credit.

come on neil - diedrie got married, the pope died and i'm sure there were other omens

[Mattshark]

come on neil - diedrie got married, the pope died and i'm sure there were other omens

You think the events on a soap opera affect football results

[Elvoz]

come on neil - diedrie got married, the pope died and i'm sure there were other omens

[rage]

what about Juve home and away, Chelsea home and away? Even Leverkusen for that matter - outplayed

yea i was there, remember leverkusen clapping us off the pitch.

rafa's a good european coach no denying it - but a premiership winner, still up in the air imo.

[nbryan1764]

yea i was there, remember leverkusen clapping us off the pitch.

rafa's a good european coach no denying it - but a premiership winner, still up in the air imo.

agree totally - that will be open until (if) he wins it

[Mark79]

rafa set his team up that night and lost. it was our destiny to win at istanbul.

i'm not degrading winning the european cup but that was nearly 5 yrs ago in his 1st season.

oh i didn't forget the fa cup win, but souness won us one of them, doesn't mark a good manager.

we're top of the league, and as the thread starter insinuated this has as much to do with the failings of the other 3 teams at least as much as what we've done well.

my point is that with the exception of scolari who's hardly been here a season and is already competing at the top of the league the other two managers in wenger and fergie have proven themselves in the premiership and i doubt very very much whether they'll be sacked anytime soon.

oh i didn't forget the fa cup win, but souness won us one of them, doesn't mark a good manager.
Then why include it when highlighting Wenger and Ferguson's achievements?

my point is that with the exception of scolari who's hardly been here a season and is already competing at the top of the league the other two managers in wenger and fergie have proven themselves in the premiership and i doubt very very much whether they'll be sacked anytime soon.
Thats because they've had so much more time to prove themselves in the premiership. I'll say it again, they only got one league title between them in their opening 5 years.

[gparr]

if you beleive everything is down to destiny, you might aswell stop at home, and not goto games.

[Elvoz]

yea i was there, remember leverkusen clapping us off the pitch.

rafa's a good european coach no denying it - but a premiership winner, still up in the air imo.

was in leverkusen

top gaff with some really friendly people in some places

[Neil Young]

come on neil - diedrie got married, the pope died and i'm sure there were other omens

I think there were also favourable omens in 2007 yet somehow that Destiny did not intervene to save us.

[rage]

oh i didn't forget the fa cup win, but souness won us one of them, doesn't mark a good manager.
Then why include it when highlighting Wenger and Ferguson's achievements?

because they've both also won the premiership. think of the fa cup as cake. we still need the bread and butter

my point is that with the exception of scolari who's hardly been here a season and is already competing at the top of the league the other two managers in wenger and fergie have proven themselves in the premiership and i doubt very very much whether they'll be sacked anytime soon.
Thats because they've had so much more time to prove themselves in the premiership. I'll say it again, they only got one league title between them in their opening 5 years.

wenger won it in his 1st season no? and as i said i don't think in the modern era even ferguson would be given what 7 seasons or so?

[rage]

if you beleive everything is down to destiny, you might aswell stop at home, and not goto games.

why? it must be obvious by now that like those that post in the predictions thread i go to every game expecting to win 4 nil.