Sack Rafa, Fergie, Scolari and Wenger

[Mattshark]

You cant see the water for the sea.

We've played ONE top side at Anfield.

Chelsea have played THREE top sides at Stamford Bridge as well as the very good Villa and Spurs, who are clearly better than their current position.

United have played THREE top sides away as well as Villa, Spurs, Everton, City and Portsmouth, all sides who are tough to play at their own grounds.

So their respectively poor home/away records are directly linked with the amount of good opposition they've faced. Our poor home record isnt.

You are being hypercritical and negative.
Unlike Utd and Chelsea. We have a 100% record v the top 4 including being the 1st team to beat Chelsea at home in 4 YEARS. We beat City away, we beat Everton away we drew with Villa and we have played Spurs away. Just as tough as Utd's away fixtures, cept we won more.
We are the only team not to lose a home league game in 2008.

When being top of the league ain't good enough for you what the **** is?

[Craig_H]

Matt,

Home to Hull - drew
Home to Stoke - drew
Home to WHU - drew
Home to Fulham - drew

One question - good enough?

[rudedog]

Matt,

Home to Hull - drew
Home to Stoke - drew
Home to WHU - drew
Home to Fulham - drew

One question - good enough?

no but it still doesn't justify the complete bollocks some people spout on here

[Crazy-Horse]

we didnt dominate agaisnt west ham
and after 10 minutes it was plain to see we werent going to score -in fact it can be argued they were unlucky not to win

fulahm we didnt deserve to win either - we had more chances than them aye but thats the least i expect

a poor poor post there by you fella

and normally i look forward to reading them so much

Liverpool Westham
Corners 17 5
Attempts 21 7
Off Target 13 3
Possession 67% 33%

So, are you talking about a different game, or is it a case of never letting the facts get in the way of a good argument.

[Craig_H]

I'm saying i dont think it's good enough. If that's 'hyper-critical', then i worry about how low Matt's standards must be.

When you say 'some people', you mean about three.

[Crazy-Horse]

Matt,

Home to Hull - drew
Home to Stoke - drew
Home to WHU - drew
Home to Fulham - drew

One question - good enough?

If we win the league - yes!
If we don't, perhaps not.

[Craig_H]

Liverpool Westham
Corners 17 5
Attempts 21 7
Off Target 13 3
Possession 67% 33%

So, are you talking about a different game, or is it a case of never letting the facts get in the way of a good argument.

I think the West Ham game, along with the Stoke one, was a case of bad luck and football being football.

In 19 home league games, to win the title, we need to be winning maybe 15 or them IMO. We've won 5 and only have 10 left.

Maybe that might put it into perspective for some people.

[Craig_H]

If we win the league - yes!
If we don't, perhaps not.

Do you think our results, and our prospects of winning the league are independent of each other or something?

[rudedog]

I'm saying i dont think it's good enough. If that's 'hyper-critical', then i worry about how low Matt's standards must be.

When you say 'some people', you mean about three.

I think its just your refusal to give ground when arguing which makes it seem like you are taking a stronger view point than you actualy are.

When I say 'some people' I am mainly refering to the match threads where there seems to be a lot more than 3 people posting total bollocks.

[Craig_H]

I think its just your refusal to give ground when arguing which makes it seem like you are taking a stronger view point than you actualy are.

When I say 'some people' I am mainly refering to the match threads where there seems to be a lot more than 3 people posting total bollocks.

I dont think there's many people being as critical as you were suggesting though.

I dont give ground on my view that those draws are not good enough, no.

To win the title, those kind of results have to happen only rarely.

Not 44% of the time.

[Crazy-Horse]

Do you think our results, and our prospects of winning the league are independent of each other or something?

No but I do see that this year's Premier League seems to be the tightest of any season in recent memory. Our dropped points are actually relative to the way the usual top four are all dropping points against teams that they should hammer - for example...United against West Ham this morning.

Until the fat lady sings, and we mathematically can't win the league, we are still in with a chance.

Currently, as Bill Shankly said...

“We murdered them 0-0.”

“When I’ve got nothing better to do, I look down the league table to see how Everton are getting along.”

"Aye, here we are with problems at the top of the league.” When a journalist suggested that Liverpool were in difficulties.

[Craig_H]

I take your point CrazyHorse, and i mentioned on another thread that it might only take something like 82 points to win it this year.

I'd just rather we got to 82 as soon as we can, and we'd be 8 points closer if we'd done the things we should be doing.

I'm not saying it cant happen, because it can. But 4 times out of 9 is very worrying and wont stand us in good stead.

[rudedog]

I dont think there's many people being as critical as you were suggesting though.

I dont give ground on my view that those draws are not good enough, no.

To win the title, those kind of results have to happen only rarely.

Not 44% of the time.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the ott stuff got taken out by the mods.

you don't seem give ground on your views full stop.

time will tell whether or not these draws will come back to haunt us. However, its somewhat myopic to only focus on home form when looking at our title chances.

[Craig_H]

Well it's hardly controversial to suggest they're likely to cost us.

Remember last season, after all.

[Mattshark]

Well it's hardly controversial to suggest they're likely to cost us.

Remember last season, after all.

Yes but you are saying it is not good enough to win the league, but at the moment it has gotten us a 1 point lead at the top and the second best home form in the league.

So why is it not good enough to win the league?