Ive copied the thread title and the post below from another LFC site - 6CM I think.
Comparisons were made in the thread between Ged and Rafa with one poster believing they are basically the same type of manager, and below is the reply that mentions much more than that and is a very good read.
FWIW I still believe that we should wait and see where we finish this season before Rafas contract is discussed.
Comparisons were made in the thread between Ged and Rafa with one poster believing they are basically the same type of manager, and below is the reply that mentions much more than that and is a very good read.
Enh, I see massive differences between them in temperament, man management, tactics, and PR. Both of them have improved the club both in terms of results, and modernization, and it remains to be seen whether Rafa is heading in a successful trajectory in terms of the league, but there's no evidence to suggest he's failing, or that he's sure to deliver the title either, and there was ample evidence of a trajectory at the end of Houllier's reign. You bring any other manager in, any, and there will be an equal lack of any assurance of the league.
The biggest thing holding the club back isn't this sort of management, it's the other kind.
For instance, in prior seasons people have voiced some disgust with Rafa's prioritizing the CL. This always struck me as silly. Our failures in that competition, and resultant shortfall downed Houllier more than anything else, but apart from self interest, given that our state of the art stadium has so far only benefited ****ty 3d renderers, producers of styrofoam models, architects and planners, CL success is the only thing that keeps us financially competitive with the other "big 3". If our average premiership season over the last 10 years ends up about 4th place, you see the tenuous situation we are in. There should be MASSIVE urgency, and instead we are in this interminable ****ing holding pattern due to **** owners, and the sort of sluggish attitude that has seen us piss away money in gate receipts and sales year after year.
I want the league more than anything, and thinking with as little emotion as possible, there's no real evidence to suggest that Rafa will deliver it, though its not the impossibility some make it out to be. That said, right now, stability is a very good thing, because there isn't stability or cohesion anywhere in our organization.
Owners who know they aren't in it for the long haul, no stadium, slow contract negotiations, bifurcated youth policy, no significant marketing or any other business initiative, it's a mess and I actually appreciate the fact that Rafa is the only one using his leverage to get not what some dismiss cynically as just what he wants (and undoubtedly it is), but what the club needs - resolution of some of this nonsense. Any time a company or organisation knows that the owners are effectively lame ducks it causes all sorts of apathy. There needs to be some push from somewhere in the obvious limbo we are in, we should be really actively pushing and problem solving. I really believe that Rafa is trying to apply pressure for the right reasons, even though its a very dangerous game.
This is an organisation that has been FAR too comfortable doing nothing for far too long. We need fresh faces in from the owners down, but unless those owners are more of the sugar daddy type, Rafa has proven he offers a consistency that I think deserves a contract, even without the league.
The biggest thing holding the club back isn't this sort of management, it's the other kind.
For instance, in prior seasons people have voiced some disgust with Rafa's prioritizing the CL. This always struck me as silly. Our failures in that competition, and resultant shortfall downed Houllier more than anything else, but apart from self interest, given that our state of the art stadium has so far only benefited ****ty 3d renderers, producers of styrofoam models, architects and planners, CL success is the only thing that keeps us financially competitive with the other "big 3". If our average premiership season over the last 10 years ends up about 4th place, you see the tenuous situation we are in. There should be MASSIVE urgency, and instead we are in this interminable ****ing holding pattern due to **** owners, and the sort of sluggish attitude that has seen us piss away money in gate receipts and sales year after year.
I want the league more than anything, and thinking with as little emotion as possible, there's no real evidence to suggest that Rafa will deliver it, though its not the impossibility some make it out to be. That said, right now, stability is a very good thing, because there isn't stability or cohesion anywhere in our organization.
Owners who know they aren't in it for the long haul, no stadium, slow contract negotiations, bifurcated youth policy, no significant marketing or any other business initiative, it's a mess and I actually appreciate the fact that Rafa is the only one using his leverage to get not what some dismiss cynically as just what he wants (and undoubtedly it is), but what the club needs - resolution of some of this nonsense. Any time a company or organisation knows that the owners are effectively lame ducks it causes all sorts of apathy. There needs to be some push from somewhere in the obvious limbo we are in, we should be really actively pushing and problem solving. I really believe that Rafa is trying to apply pressure for the right reasons, even though its a very dangerous game.
This is an organisation that has been FAR too comfortable doing nothing for far too long. We need fresh faces in from the owners down, but unless those owners are more of the sugar daddy type, Rafa has proven he offers a consistency that I think deserves a contract, even without the league.
FWIW I still believe that we should wait and see where we finish this season before Rafas contract is discussed.
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