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    #46
    Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
    Nonetheless, he and the team yet again have failed to score more than 1 goal at home & yet again have conceded a ridiculous set piece goal. These are systemic faults with our play & have been so a looong time. They really MUST be remedied for any further progress to be made.
    clownery

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      #47
      Tomfoolery
      Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom- 2 years 1year 0.5 years

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        #48
        Buffoonery.
        3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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          #49
          cuntery ??
          "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

          "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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            #50
            Originally posted by Operation View Post
            Easily impressed I feel.
            ha ha. joking right....?

            If I am easily impressed mate, you and a load of others here are easily depressed.

            Not one of you lot come on here with an alternative to the current manager?

            You moan, moan, moan and moan again tell us about negativity and how poor his tactics are and how terrible we are and slate everyone who is still positive.

            Well I am still positive and we have the best manager for the job at our club, he makes mistakes, we all do, Ferguson does, Mourinho did, Scolari does, Capello does and will make more.

            I am frustrated to hell when we draw games we should be winning but I am also happy when we win games we perhaps shouldnt.

            I am gutted we drew but if you dont think we played well yesterday, especially 2nd half, then Ill go back to my first line, clearly, you are easily depressed.

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              #51
              He's losing it. How many times have we played like that at Chelsea or Arsenal? Wait til we go away to Real and watch how "expansive" we are then. If anyone needs to be criticised for not being attacking enough this season it's him, how many times have we ended games with the wonderfully creative Dirk Kuyt up front on his own?
              Monkey Tennis

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                #52
                No-one plays to lose do they??
                If anyone who watched that game thinks Everton tried to win then give up watching football.
                Howard time wasting from the 27th minute?? yes we should have broken them down, yes perhaps Rafa could have said that but you all would have critisised him for knocking the players in public.
                We weren't good enough to beat them on the day and to repeat I'm not knocking them for it but Rafa is telling the truth, 1 team was trying to win the other wasn't.
                The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by bipjohn View Post
                  Criticism is fine mate. Slating one of our best players with comments like 'I never thought he was good enough' and 'hes overrated' after a shaky, one off, 90 minutes is over the top, for me anyway. As he was excellent yesterday it was a point I wanted to make.

                  Craig, its plain to see your opinion, and that is what a message board is for, clearly, but have you got anything good to say about LFC, Rafa, the team?

                  Im not happy we drew yesterday but for gods sake, we were all over them and played well I thought, we did 'open them up' on a few occasions but didnt finish, which if you look at pretty much all of the 0-0's we have had this season is a regular occurance, so, is that the fault of Rafa that chances are being created but not finished? I dont know, really I dont?

                  Many moaners asked for Babel to be given a chance, he was and he again, failed to grab that chance.

                  To be honest, the way I see it is, Mancs have got 4 or 5 'matchwinners' Chelsea have 3 or 4 'matchwinners' we have 2.

                  By this I mean that when they are in a drab 0-0 at home, which there have been lots of examples this season, they have more players that can produce 1 flash to get a breakthrough goal. Other than that there is no real difference between the top 3, we all have to try and break teams down and in the main they do it better than us because tevez, Berbtov, rooney, ronaldo, etc can get that goal from nothing.Stats from last season and this prove that, we draw far more games than the others. In reality thoguh there is little to choose between us other than what I have mentiond.
                  I thought you were going to say that criticism about football is fine and personal abuse to players isnt - which i would totally agree with. Some people might actually feel that Skrtel is overrated or they may wish to say that they never DID rate him. What's wrong with that? I mean, i disagree with such views, but people are entitled to make them.

                  Good stuff to say about the team? Plenty. A few world class players, many very good players and a good amount of unity and team spirit. There's plenty more too.

                  As for Rafa. Very meticulous and he knows what he's doing. Generally speaking he's very good, but there are a couple of fatal flaws in his character, for me and they are what, i feel, will stop him winning the title. The biggest frustration is that the squad/team is good enough to win the league and barring a couple of minor things that he needs to tweak, so is the manager. But i dont think he'll tweak them and i dont think he'll win the PL.

                  I think we differ on our viewpoint of yesterday. I dont think we created much at all. 3 PROPER chances all game and that's not good enough IMO.

                  I feel that it's the cautious nature of the side and the refusal to play with a quicker tempo and get bodies forward that costs us. I think those things are directly at the instruction of the manager.

                  I agree with you about Man Utd and chelsea, matchwinners etc. I'd argue that if we dont have enough matchwinners, that's partly down to Rafa's transfer policy. Let's be honest, he prefers workmanlike solid players, to matchwinners, generally speaking. Obviously Gerrard and Torres will always feature, because they're hardworking as well as being world class matchwinners, but Babel and Keane are potential matchwinners for us, yet they wont get a run of games.

                  Rafa is very machine like in his working and you cant imagine him ever telling a player to go out and express himself. You get the feeling that everything's according to the 'machine' and every player is just a cog. That's fine in general terms, but sometimes you have to change and just let things get more flexible. I dont think Rafa has that in him.

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                    #54
                    Gibbonry.
                    3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by bipjohn View Post
                      ha ha. joking right....?

                      If I am easily impressed mate, you and a load of others here are easily depressed.

                      Not one of you lot come on here with an alternative to the current manager?

                      You moan, moan, moan and moan again tell us about negativity and how poor his tactics are and how terrible we are and slate everyone who is still positive.

                      Well I am still positive and we have the best manager for the job at our club, he makes mistakes, we all do, Ferguson does, Mourinho did, Scolari does, Capello does and will make more.

                      I am frustrated to hell when we draw games we should be winning but I am also happy when we win games we perhaps shouldnt.

                      I am gutted we drew but if you dont think we played well yesterday, especially 2nd half, then Ill go back to my first line, clearly, you are easily depressed.
                      It's easy to have all the possession when the opposition sits on the edge of their box. We did very little with it. Playing well means creating lots of chances, but we didnt.

                      As for a replacement, i've said it already, I'd go for Jose.

                      And just regarding Skrtel, he was at least partly responsible for their goal. He allowed Cahill to move and find space easily, without getting on him.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by bipjohn View Post
                        I dont think he was moaning, he was stating a fact, they were awful, their game consists of long punt forward and then a Pieenar or Anichebe dive.

                        Moyes is the first one to criticise opponenets for diving, yet he clearly coaches them 2 to do it.
                        Presumably Rafa coaches Mascherano and Skrtel to do it too, as they both took shocking dives yesterday.
                        Monkey Tennis

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                          It's easy to have all the possession when the opposition sits on the edge of their box. We did very little with it. Playing well means creating lots of chances, but we didnt.

                          As for a replacement, i've said it already, I'd go for Jose.

                          And just regarding Skrtel, he was at least partly responsible for their goal. He allowed Cahill to move and find space easily, without getting on him.
                          but i do rate skittles tbh i didnt realise you didnt fella

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                            #58
                            cant blame everton for trying to sneak a goal and defend a lead. cant blame them for excepting a draw either. get us back to their place and then have a go when some of their better players are fit. makes sense. more games is more of a disadvantage for us than them. they will know we may have to rest key players thus weakening our team and improving their chances of going on.

                            every smaller club tries this at anfield. its rafs job to figure out a way of winning. managers are judged on results not performances which is why so many would like mourinho if rafa leaves. would we play ****e football and win the league?, i personally wouldnt give a **** as long as we win.
                            "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

                            "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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                              #59
                              its one thing playing that way away at anfield but quite another playing at home in front of their own fans.

                              They will have to come out at us and play and that's when we're at out best when teams try and attack us.
                              [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                                #60
                                Its rubbish, Everton had a go, were low on resources and in the second half they were under pressure from us and probably happy to hold on. I don't for one second think they came for a draw.

                                Thats all, its an excuse. You have to be able to create more and put them away.

                                "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

                                I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

                                FatTony 24/08/09

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