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    #31
    They were all bought as part of the re-building process. Does anyone seriously think Rafa would want any of them at the club now given the choice? (besides maybe Gonzalez and Paletta)

    As others have said we made profit on Bellamy so if we're breaking even overall on temporary signings you can't complain can you? They were all a springboard for the team we have now
    Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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      #32
      Originally posted by twistnkuyt View Post
      So 11 flops in 5 seasons, good record I'd say.

      Bollocks article designed to do nothing but have a go and undermine what Rafa has/is doing with us.


      They also fail to mention that we've lost very little money on most of those players when they've been moved on. Oh, and the fact that we only signed most of them because we couldn't afford better.
      "My commitment to Liverpool is 100 per cent. I would die for that Liverpool shirt. I think the club loves me and I feel the same, no matter what the situation." - Pepe Reina, Nov '09.

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        #33
        Originally posted by rezaeos View Post
        Shame about Gonzalez. I think we all had high hopes for him. How is he getting on these days?
        he's been pretty awesome the last few weeks!

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          #34
          Every manager has good and bad signings. Not all on that list were total failures and the list can be countered by many positive signings see below ......... (obviously some more successful than others, but all made contributions and can be/were sold for more than we paid)

          Reina
          Agger
          Skrtel
          Insua
          Arbeloa
          Aurelio
          Sissoko
          Mascherano
          Alonso
          Benayoun
          Riera
          Torres
          Kuyt
          Crouch
          Babel (?)
          Garcia
          Carson

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            #35
            Isn't Pelegrino still on the coaching staff??
            I saw a dead fish on the pavement and thought "what did you expect?"
            There's no water round here stupid, should have stayed where it was wet

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              #36
              Originally posted by Fierce View Post
              Isn't Pelegrino still on the coaching staff??


              He left, then he came back. He seemed to have improved things in terms of setpiece defense at the start of the season but we appear to have regressed. It might be the chopping and changing in the back four though I guess.
              "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
              -- William Blake

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                #37
                Originally posted by dww View Post


                He left, then he came back. He seemed to have improved things in terms of setpiece defense at the start of the season but we appear to have regressed. It might be the chopping and changing in the back four though I guess.
                No it's all down to the Zonal Marking Dave.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Reggie View Post
                  No it's all down to the Zonal Marking Dave.
                  I knew I had missed some important, little talked of, factor out of my analysis
                  "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                  -- William Blake

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by ukfootballfan101 View Post

                    Total cost = £28m
                    Total recevied in sales = £18.7m

                    Total Loss = £9.3m

                    Plus we could still get a few million for Voronin.
                    Thanks for that.
                    Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by babylon View Post
                      The single interesting in point in that article is that out of that extensive list of 'transfer failures', The club made a total loss of roughly 3 or 4 million pounds.

                      It is amazing how a good story to slur a top managers name can be turned on it's head using the facts stated in said article to prove that Rafa is actually extremely shrewd in the transfer market.

                      Add Keane into the mix if you like some reports state that we will take a 3 or 4 million hit on him, but he was a very bizarre case, very highly politically charged.
                      Absolutely

                      If that's an extensive list of his biggest failures, 11 players sold on for a total loss that's less than Chelsea lose on almost every player they sign, its not a bad record at all. The issue, if someone wants to make one out of Rafa's transfer dealings is not loss made on players, but arguably the simple number of those who've come and gone without doing much on the pitch.
                      I could not dig, I dared not rob:
                      Therefore I lied to please the mob.
                      Now all my lies are proved untrue
                      And I must face the men I slew.
                      What tale shall serve me here among
                      Mine angry and defrauded young?

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                        #41
                        Not bad at all, when you look at Wengers list of players there are a lot of bad wastes of cash. 2001 he spent pretty much 28 million on the biggest load of crap

                        Edu - Corinthians, £6m
                        Francis Jeffers - Everton £8m
                        Giovanni Van Bronckhorst - Rangers, £8.5m
                        Richard Wright - Ipswich £6m
                        Efstathios Tavlaridis - Iraklis Salonika £600k

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Woobus View Post
                          Not bad at all, when you look at Wengers list of players there are a lot of bad wastes of cash. 2001 he spent pretty much 28 million on the biggest load of crap

                          Edu - Corinthians, £6m
                          Francis Jeffers - Everton £8m
                          Giovanni Van Bronckhorst - Rangers, £8.5m
                          Richard Wright - Ipswich £6m
                          Efstathios Tavlaridis - Iraklis Salonika £600k
                          Edu was good for them IMO. Took a while to settle but to claim he was 'a load of crap' is unjustifiable in my opinion. And I really don't get the point of putting a young player like Efstathios Tavlaridis on any such list all managers gamble on kids and I would imagine they lost very little as they sold him on.
                          "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                          -- William Blake

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by dww View Post
                            Edu was good for them IMO. Took a while to settle but to claim he was 'a load of crap' is unjustifiable in my opinion. And I really don't get the point of putting a young player like Efstathios Tavlaridis on any such list all managers gamble on kids and I would imagine they lost very little as they sold him on.
                            "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by dww View Post
                              Edu was good for them IMO. Took a while to settle but to claim he was 'a load of crap' is unjustifiable in my opinion. And I really don't get the point of putting a young player like Efstathios Tavlaridis on any such list all managers gamble on kids and I would imagine they lost very little as they sold him on.
                              What would they give now to have Edu at the club to add a little bit of steel to their brittle midfield?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by dww View Post
                                Edu was good for them IMO. Took a while to settle but to claim he was 'a load of crap' is unjustifiable in my opinion. And I really don't get the point of putting a young player like Efstathios Tavlaridis on any such list all managers gamble on kids and I would imagine they lost very little as they sold him on.
                                He was in the list as that was who he bought in 2001, I just copied it from a website. Will agree that Edu wasnt "a load of crap" but for spending 28 million he didnt get much value for money that season. And doubt he would have managed to claim much back specially with Edu leaving on a free.

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