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    Tompkins from the Official site.........

    It's a long read so I'll summerise.
    We fair better without Torres and Gerrard than Man U do when they are missing Rooney and Ronaldo.
    If we get a late winner we are 'lucky' if Man U do it it is the sign of a title winning side.
    Usual stuff about pundits and media not giving us a fair trial.





    There are lies, damned lies and statistics. And there is the absolute guff spouted by pundits who wouldn't know a fact if it bit them in the part of their body they speak out of.


    Of late, I've been wondering if Rafa Benítez is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Now I'm just starting to believe that's too mild a way to put it. I have never known a manager so unable to win even when he wins. One defeat in 33 ‘main competition' games, and still the flak flies.

    And as I will prove, some of the criticism could not be more wayward.

    If ever there was an almost perfect example of how he can't win, it came at Portsmouth, following the midweek Mersey marathon.

    To put it in perspective, if Rafa had played a weakened team at Everton in the FA Cup, he'd have been lambasted for not taking the competition seriously (yawn), and for not understanding the local derby.

    He went with a strong team, to try and win the game and keep the momentum going, not least because Mersey derbies have a habit of being blown out of proportion: lose, and it feels like the end of the world; win, and you can get a massive fillip.

    But Lucas was sent off for two yellows, when only one was a foul. Steven Gerrard had already limped off injured at the start, and Liverpool were left to play extra-time with ten men and a clearly leggy Fernando Torres. So much then for fielding your best players to win the game early and then be able to rest them: the advice every man and his dog was giving Benítez in the past.

    Already physically shattered, a deflected goal in the 119th minute was similarly tough on the psyche. It was a body blow to the, er, mind. So the received wisdom was no use whatsoever on Wednesday.

    What it did do was leave a tired, dejected team shorn of its captain and with its best striker seeing the recent run of games take its toll, having returned from a long injury problem to be thrown into a busy schedule.

    So what does a manager do in this situation? Play his best players, who were clearly tired (and two of whom – Torres and Alonso – weren't 100% fit), or use the squad and hope that a little less quality and/or experience is compensated for by far greater freshness, plus the hunger to impress?

    After all, Gerrard had just succumbed to an injury from playing too much football; what if Torres followed suit?

    With Spain unlikely to rest him on Wednesday, there was a chance that the Reds wouldn't even get to the upcoming vital weekend break (the one big bonus of going out of the FA Cup) with the striker's hamstrings intact. So Rafa wasn't resting him to keep him fresh for Spain; he was trying to avoid another lay-off.

    Ultimately, extreme situations demand extreme measures.

    I don't think the result made Rafa a genius, just as having drawn or lost would not have made him a chump. Had everyone been 100% fit and sharp, then it's a risky judgement call you can perhaps question. But they weren't. Clearly.

    However, there was one very logical reason why, in the circumstances, it was a gamble worth taking. The Liverpool subs looked so sharp precisely because they were entering into a game with the opposition starting to tire, and in which those three Reds wouldn't need to rely on stamina – just a short burst of effort that didn't need to be sustained.

    What Rafa did in the face of fatigue was pair Torres, Kuyt and Alonso up against an equally tired second-half Portsmouth side, when their quality could tell. Ideally the game would have been won by then, but if it wasn't, they were there to win it late on. After all, Alex Ferguson has done that countless times in the past, keeping his stars in reserve in case he needed them to come on and win the game.

    Had that trio started the game, it could quite easily have been a case of them tiring before the south coast side. Who knows? It's certainly not unlikely after the midweek exertions, and a whopping 210 minutes of football since Pompey played last Saturday. Either way, it's an almost impossible situation for the team to play to the best of its ability.

    Mixing metaphors somewhat, I just wish the baying hounds would cut Benítez at least a little slack. I honestly can't recall a top manager being criticised even half as much as the Spaniard – and this with trophies, constant Champions League qualification (and annual progress to at least the semi-finals, bar 2006), along with radical improvements in the league.

    After Torres scored the winner on Saturday, one commentator said that Liverpool need to keep him fit and 'nurse him'; yet there was widespread condemnation before the game for not starting him. So you need to nurse players like Torres and Gerrard, just never rest (i.e. 'nurse') them. Oh, okay.

    Then later that evening, it was said Liverpool would not have won fielding that side against better opposition.

    Which was ludicrously bereft of logic because Liverpool were playing Portsmouth, and that's the only team the manager could pick a side to beat. Did Rafa select that same XI against Chelsea last week? No. Did Rafa have to pick a side on Saturday to beat Manchester United or Arsenal? Of course not. It was Portsmouth.

    In the post-match TV analysis it was all about how Liverpool will get 'nowhere near' the title with this squad; having just gone top of the table with 13 games remaining (even if United were still favourites with two games in hand).

    And there's me thinking the Reds had been challenging all season long, sometimes without Gerrard, often without Torres.

    The same was said on TV on Sunday morning: journalists declaring Liverpool's squad as too weak to mount a title challenge –– whilst that very squad is clearly making a challenge. It's like three blind mice leading equally vision-impaired followers.

    (Please, fellas, if you're reading, stick with it, but I've a lot to vent. The facts are on their way. Read them, and consider their implications.)

    The result is the only justification of team selection, whether you get the winner in the first minute or the last.

    I said last week, when Man United score late, it's the sign of a great side; when Liverpool do, it's luck. And yet even before Torres came on, Kuyt had put the Reds 2-1 up with a goal that was wrongly chalked off for offside, while Pompey's opener looked offside. And Liverpool are 'lucky'?!

    Had that Kuyt goal stood, there's a fairly good chance Liverpool would have won without their two stellar names even featuring, and yet the Setanta pundits and Sky journos were adamant about how Liverpool are too reliant on Gerrard and Torres.

    Again, I ask people to go check Manchester United's results without Ronaldo and Rooney. And again, I ask people to see how many games Liverpool have won without Torres and Gerrard this season.

    If you can't check, let me do it for you: United lost five league games last season. Rooney missed four of them, Ronaldo missed three, and they did not play together in any of those defeats. Of these opponents, only Chelsea were a team in the top eight, so it's not skewed by difficult games.

    In the 12 league matches Rooney did not start, United's accrued a 69-point average when extrapolated over 38 games, as opposed to the 87 they actually racked up. In the seven games Ronaldo did not start, the average would have made an even worse total: 65 points. Or the tally that saw Everton finish 5th.

    Shockingly, in the four games in which neither started –– against Manchester City, Bolton, Sunderland and Spurs (again, no giants, but admittedly one derby) –– they dropped half of the available points: meaning an average of 57 if extrapolated over 38 games. Or equivalent to finishing 8th, like Portsmouth.

    (Also, of the three league games Ronaldo missed at the start of this season, United dropped five points, which is the form of a mid-table side.)

    Yes, United have other good players all over the pitch, but do these facts not suggest that they are overly reliant on their best two attacking players?

    While United have coped well in the last few games without Rooney, without either him and/or Ronaldo on a regular basis, the form book suggests that they are not a title-winning side. Indeed, far from it.

    (Of course, if United did not have these players on a very regular basis, or indeed at all, they'd try to buy similar replacements; just as Liverpool obviously would in the case of Torres and Gerrard.)

    Now look at Liverpool without Torres and Gerrard this season.

    Gerrard has failed to start four league games –– Villa, United, Fulham and Portsmouth. Two of those are clearly very tough fixtures, against top-three sides. Two were at home, two away. And yet Liverpool's record is won two, drawn two. Over 38 league games, that is worth an impressive 76 points.

    Due to injury, Torres has failed to start no fewer than 15 league games. These resulted in ten wins, four draws and just one defeat. Over a 38 game season, that ratio would earn an incredible 86 points. That is a title-winning tally; last year United got 87, but needed only 86.

    Perhaps due to Torres playing at least half a dozen games when lacking sharpness, Liverpool have actually fared better without him; with him starting, the Reds have won five and drawn five, which is 76 points in terms of form over 38 games. (Though he did win the weekend's game from the bench.)

    It gets even more amazing. In each of the two league games Liverpool started without both Torres and Gerrard, the Reds won: against United and Pompey. It's only two games, of course, but it's a 100% record. Or 114 points over the course of a season! (Silly, I know, when based on such a small sample, but a 100% record is a 100% record.)

    Yes, these are statistics – but then league tables are formed from similar statistics relating to win, lose or draw, which are the most important kind. And yes, United's figures are based on last season (when they won the title) and Liverpool's this season (as they challenge for it). Even so, it's valid.

    But even I was shocked at how remarkably disparate the win/lose/draw statistics were. I'm no genius; I just sat down and bothered to check some team sheets and calculate some figures, rather than just make ignorant assumptions like the McPundits.

    So why are Liverpool the team perceived to rely on just two players? Why does someone like Tim Sherwood say that United don't rely on their key men and Liverpool do?

    Why isn't the truth –– that United cannot seem to cope very well without Ronaldo, and certainly not well at all without both him and Rooney –– more well known?

    Why isn't Rafa praised for getting so many great results without his key men this season, rather than just constantly criticised?

    Why isn't Ferguson accused of being lucky or relying on Rooney and Ronaldo to get him out of trouble?

    I'll leave you (and anyone in the media who reads this) to draw your own conclusions. But based on these figures, if I were Alex Ferguson and United lost Rooney and Ronaldo to serious injury, I'd be very worried.
    Last edited by The Birdman; 10-02-09, 06:13 PM.
    The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

    #2
    Tomkins: End this torres/gerrard myth

    I know his articles are a view of someone with red tinted specs usually,but this article speaks alot of truth and gives support to Rafa whom has been slated all over the place recently.Rafa is a top class manager,one of the best in the world,but the way he has been talked about lately by people,who frankly know absolutely **** all about managing a top team,are jumping on this "Rafa rant" bandwagon.

    Rafa is the best manager we have had since Paisley imo. Fagan and Dalglish inherited great teams not needing major overhauls although they achieved great success.

    I would like to see more positive things said about Rafa,instead of the media trying to make him out to be this raving loony who has suddenly lost the plot.

    Even our own fans seem to go too far with their opinions of him lately!


    He deserves more respect than that.I have great faith in knowing he is definately the right man to manage Liverpool FC and to bring home the premiership title.
    Last edited by kop-al-74; 10-02-09, 06:25 PM.
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    'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

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      #3


      the thread below
      Originally posted by fah-q
      Didn't someone once see Philip Schofield ****ting into a crisp packet?

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        #4
        Okay really, can people please check for existing threads starting a new one. There was already one on this at the top of the forum

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          #5
          Originally posted by Reggie View Post
          Okay really, can people please check for existing threads starting a new one. There was already one on this at the top of the forum
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          'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

          Bill Shankly.

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            #6
            The facts speak for themselves, all this Rafa bashing from even our own supporters really irks me. After beating Chelsea I think we're still in with a really good chance this season, and we can still get positive results without both of our star players.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Reggie View Post
              Okay really, can people please check for existing threads starting a new one. There was already one on this at the top of the forum
              Maybe Kop-Al-74 was confused by me mis spelling Tomkins with a 'p' in the title and thought it was another piece................................
              The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

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                #8
                On a serious note any other manager with 1 defeat in 32 games (or whatever Tomkins quoted) would be winning acolades left right and centre.
                It's not as if we were the best team in the world before Rafa joined as manager, I honestly think some on here forget just how woeful we were.
                As Carra says in his book, Gerrard greeted Rafa with the words "I don't think you realise just how bad we are"
                We've progressed a million miles from the latter Houllier days
                The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by The Birdman View Post
                  Maybe Kop-Al-74 was confused by me mis spelling Tomkins with a 'p' in the title and thought it was another piece................................

                  Lol,I didn't see it over here at first but by the time i wrote what i thought of it,you had already started the thread.

                  Must be quicker next time.D)
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                  'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

                  Bill Shankly.

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                    #10
                    probably posted somewhere else but here we go anyway

                    PAUL TOMKINS' SEASON PREVIEW

                    So, it's less than a week away. Hope and dread return in equal measure. I feel optimistic, but scared of those hopes being dashed.
                    paul tomkins


                    Liverpool have earned the right to believe in their chances, and if confidence borne of last season's efforts can be taken into the early months, then anything is possible.

                    Two players of undoubted quality (Johnson and Aquilani) have arrived to bolster the strongest XI, but one (Alonso) has left.

                    Also gone are Hyypia and Arbeloa, both of whom would have only been back-up players going into the new campaign, but very good ones at that.

                    Aquilani will offer something new, as will Glen Johnson; both of these players are better in the final third than the men they've replaced. That has to bode well.

                    The return of Voronin adds a further option up front. The Ukrainian can chip in with a few goals and assists, as a very capable and game-intelligent back-up striker. He doesn't have to settle into English football, or the thought processes of his team-mates, and as such can add something to the mix.

                    Some young players will be a year older and wiser (particularly Insua and N'Gog, but also Lucas), and no-one is in danger of disappearing off the other end of the age spectrum, now that Hyypia has moved on.

                    The oldest player in the squad is only 31 (Carragher), and no-one else will be in his 30s when the season starts, bar Voronin, who has only just recently had his 30th birthday.

                    The average age of the strongest XI is a near-perfect 27.3 (the average of the previous 17 Premiership champions is 27.5, as I discovered when researching my new book, ‘Red Race'), and the squad overall averages out at a very healthy 26, excluding those youngsters who may force their way into Rafa's plans.

                    Pre-season form wasn't great on the whole, but the players do so much intensive training at this time of year under Rafa it's hard to know how much energy they have left come kick-off; often they'll have trained hard the day of a game, and fitness is the main concern. And a week at this stage of the season is long time.

                    More confidence gained from impressive wins would have been nice, but pre-season can be so distorting – not least due to the range in fitness and determination of the various opposition sides – that successive strolls in pre-season can bring a rude awakening come the first league game.

                    A difficult game at Spurs wouldn't surprise me, with Rafa starting a league campaign away for the 6th successive season and the opener always a bit of a lottery (no team is ever quite in its rhythm), but from then until October, and the trip to Chelsea, I expect pretty much maximum points.

                    According to some, Liverpool missed a good chance of winning the title last season, but I don't buy that; to go from 4th place and 76 points to 1st place, and needing in excess of 90, is a massive ask. To do so without the experience of a previous title race only made it harder.

                    Yes, United and Chelsea had some problems last season, but Liverpool could only pair Torres and Gerrard together on 14 occasions. If that can be doubled this time around, with no injuries to other key men, than this really could be the year.

                    I have to admit to finding developments at Man City fascinating. Even Chelsea didn't operate quite like this when spending £100m in a summer.

                    Chelsea spent big on top continental talents, like Cech, Robben, Drogba and Essien. But City have plundered only the Premiership this summer.

                    Not only that, they've taken players from teams in the top four: two from Arsenal, one from Manchester United, and serious attempts were made to lure John Terry from Chelsea.

                    If you can't beat ‘em, the saying goes, join ‘em. City's approach seems to be to gatecrash the all-important top four by taking elements from each of the teams already there. In that sense, it's a novel approach. Chelsea, the last of the really big spenders, were already there when the riches arrived.

                    City's aim has surely been aided by weakening two of those sides who've occupied the positions for the past four seasons. And the teams who finished fifth and sixth have also been targeted: thus far Everton have held on to Lescott, but Gareth Barry has moved from Villa.

                    What I find most interesting is how a stronger City will affect their neighbours in Salford, who are naturally Liverpool's main rivals going into the new season. An intensification of that particular rivalry may actually be beneficial to Benítez's men.

                    A resurgent Reds put extra pressure on Manchester United last time out; had it been Chelsea or Arsenal, United wouldn't have felt quite as much pressure to see them off.

                    As it was, perhaps the fact that it was Liverpool motivated United that little bit more to eek out results; but only after a serious wobble when they looked shakier than at any time in recent memory, and only after a pivotal refereeing decision at a time when they were seriously wobbling.

                    United have lorded it over Liverpool for so long that it's only natural to fear the tables turning.

                    But now City are on hand to throw another spanner into the works; so much so that Ferguson has been quoted as making quite a few stinging criticisms, which suggests that he sees them as something of a threat. After all, he never attacks lame ducks, does he?

                    At the very least, City might take some points off United and give them two tougher games than last year.

                    At best, they might even finish above their more famous neighbours; a very long shot, and one which comes with the risk of City finishing above Liverpool too, but if they are in the mix, Mark Hughes' side could cause some tension at Old Trafford.

                    We know from recent experience how time spent below your city rivals in the league table causes additional nervousness. It's not nice.

                    Of course, it seems virtually impossible for City to win the Premiership this season. As noted in this column many times since 2005, teams now need to build up to the title with a 2nd-place finish the year before.

                    In time, City themselves may indeed challenge for the title; but for the time being, a bit of Mancunian rivalry might just favour Liverpool.
                    “Me having no education. I had to use my brains.”

                    Sir Bill Shankly


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                    Matt Dickinson ‏@DickinsonTimes
                    Terry painfully has to recount to court the song from Liverpool fans about his "mum loving Scouse cock"

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                      #11


                      TOMKINS: WHAT DO I KNOW?
                      Paul Tomkins 20 August 2009
                      I honestly don't think I can remember a greater overreaction to a result than the weekend's defeat at Spurs. So bouncing back was doubly vital.
                      paul tomkins

                      Perhaps Burnley in 2005 was the last time things went this OTT, but that was an FA Cup exit. Liverpool still had the Champions League to contest (what happened there, I forget?), but it was the end to that competition. So it was conclusive in that sense, even if its significance was massively overplayed.

                      By comparison, in terms of the title, losing to Spurs was like going a goal behind in the third minute of a match: not ideal, but why would you panic with so much time left?

                      Games are never over that early, just as seasons are never over that early. Liverpool went a goal down in the third minute at home to Manchester United around this time last year, and that didn't work out so bad, did it? They also went behind to an early goal at Old Trafford, and that was even better. It's the same principle.

                      It just needed victory over Stoke to make it feel like 1-1 in the fifth minute: game on. Except now you have momentum on your side. Especially if you get a good win.

                      (Of course, with perfect timing for this piece, Burnley and Man United met each other last night as well.)

                      Things change quickly in football. That was always going to be apparent this week. But part of the reason they change so dramatically is that the starting point is an extreme, and the fluctuation is like a pendulum. We all have those crazy emotions, it's just a case of taking a deep breath and thinking clearly.

                      Yesterday, Liverpool's 'season was finished' yada yada yada, and United were not missing Ronaldo and in tip-top shape.

                      A few hours later, Liverpool, despite more injuries and tougher fixtures than their rivals, were suddenly above United in the table, with five different players opening their scoring account, including almost all of the main goal hopes getting off the mark. Suddenly it was United failing to score against a newly-promoted side.

                      Liverpool had ended their Stoke hoodoo, and Glen Johnson had helped do what he was bought to do: beat such teams at Anfield. Two games, three outstanding contributions to goals from the lad: one to win a penalty, one a great finish, and the other a cross after some great stepovers.

                      I read some nonsense this summer about how he's 'only a full-back', but that misses the point. He's not some bog-standard defender, but a quasi-right winger, who can make use of the space Dirk Kuyt creates.

                      Even today I read a newspaper article that said 'full-backs don't win you titles'. Well, not on their own they don't, but read Jonathan Wilson's excellent tactical disseminations on how the attacking full-back has become a key tactical weapon for the best teams, and gain some insight. But then he studies the game, rather than just blurting out nonsense.

                      However, even I didn't expect Johnson to make such a massive impact so immediately. He has added a spark of creativity that many wingers can't even supply.

                      Of course, it's still very, very early days, for Johnson and for the season.

                      But this result gave me more satisfaction than many I can remember for a long time. Extreme reactions lead to an intensification of pressure, when there really should be more equilibrium.

                      I didn't think failure to beat Stoke would signal the end of Liverpool's season, but I did expect to face a barrage of such proclamations had it come to pass.

                      I know a lot of older Reds, and while not all of them are free of jerking knees (and creaking ones for that matter), many can't believe the change in reactions to results. At 38, I'm old enough to remember the pre-digital era, and when newspapers had no mention of pre-season friendlies, let alone there being the chance of seeing a sniff of them on TV. Nowadays it's at saturation point. Every little thing is made to mean more.

                      In many ways it's great: a greater amount of football is accessible (although it's often not free), and information is everywhere. Interest in football, and Liverpool, has never been greater.

                      The game has also improved in many ways, despite a few negatives on the pitch (such as diving and play acting). But with progress of any kind there will always be drawbacks.

                      The internet is a great resource for football, but it gives voices to some who might be better off biting their tongue, figuratively speaking. Blogs and news sites encourage outlandish opinion, and the pot gets stirred in ever more fervent circles.

                      So this is not a case of nostalgically pining for the way things were. I don't miss pitches like bogs and games played five yards either side of the halfway line. I don't miss the back-pass, or the proliferation of cloggers. But I do miss the days when a defeat was a disappointment, a setback, but not the end of the world.

                      After the Spurs game I spoke with Chris Rowland, a veteran of all 10 of Liverpool's European finals, and who has a book on his experiences at Heysel coming out later in the year. He said solemnly, 'It never used to be like this.'

                      And I spoke with Vic Gill, son-in-law of Bill Shankly, and former LFC trainee under the great man. He couldn't believe the impatience either, and thanked me for my efforts in trying to reintroduce some knee-stability to the debate.

                      (I have seen a few other articles along these lines to: kudos to Hesbighesred on RAWK, and Rory Smith in The Telegraph.)

                      Both Chris and Vic are internet users, so it's not the medium. And it's given me a platform, so I can't complain too much.

                      But just as players need apprenticeships, young fans do too. There are some very astute young folk out there, but there are those who, as is par for the course at that age, think they know it all.

                      I had some pretty daft views myself some 20 years ago, but the internet wasn't there for people to gather in packs of negativity and doom, and I had no outlet to make a fool of myself, bar a couple of mates to moan to. Younger fans are not helped by a media that has gone berserk, and in many ways they know no different. To them this is the norm.

                      My greatest worry is that hysteria makes it even harder for Liverpool to win the title. It's not about points scoring between pundits, but trying to have fans keep their heads. The pressure on Liverpool is immense because of the historical situation and the long wait for the title, and that has to be managed, not stoked.

                      And I often admit that I do not have all the answers. Far from it. A lot of the time I'm proving heavily-critical arguments wrong, because they are too definitive, or they are factually wayward. Theories are fine, it's the certainty of these people that irritates me. And that goes for pundits, too.

                      Why did Liverpool lose at Spurs? I can only guess, but I didn't conclude that 'the personnel aren't good enough' or 'the formation is all wrong' or 'there aren't enough goals in the side'.

                      Common sense told me that these players can score enough goals: they did so last season. Common sense told me the front two didn't look sharp, but not to panic. Class is permanent. Lo and behold, much better four days later.

                      Why Liverpool didn't pass well at White Hart Lane was never clear-cut; the same players, plus Benayoun, passed brilliantly against a dogged and defensive Stoke. So it was never going to be down to the absence of one player, or the inclusion of another.

                      Benítez was mocked in one article (cum-character-assassination) for talking about certain oft-criticised players being good in training. I remember about eight years ago, doing the same to someone who said, 'Igor Biscan is apparently excellent in training'. 'What good's that?' I answered, in my naïveté, as if it had no relevance to the debate.

                      Admittedly, it doesn't mean that a player who excels in training will translate that into the first team. But we have to respect that a manager, through training with these players several hours each and every day, knows what his charges are capable of, and what they have the potential to achieve.

                      It's moronic to ignore the fact that very, very few players enter the first team as the finished article. This is of course even more apposite with youngsters and imports. It's a manager's job to get them to translate that into the first team, but it can take time.

                      Impressing in training is often the first step in development, because it's far harder with the pressure of a proper game. Some players may never overcome their anxiety, but it can take time to adapt to the expectations. If he doesn't get the chances, he'll never blossom, but it has to be the manager's decision if he's worth that chance in the first place. Allow him the benefit of the doubt before spouting off.

                      At times I forget that I'm not 25 anymore. But then I see some teenager walking with his trousers halfway down to his knees, his boxers on display, and like some retired army major I tut at his scruffiness. So maybe I'm just getting old.

                      However, I just wish more fans and journalists, if they don't have the facts to hand, would stop and think, 'Well, what do I know?'
                      “Me having no education. I had to use my brains.”

                      Sir Bill Shankly


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                      Matt Dickinson ‏@DickinsonTimes
                      Terry painfully has to recount to court the song from Liverpool fans about his "mum loving Scouse cock"

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by kop-al-74 View Post
                        I know his articles are a view of someone with red tinted specs usually,but this article speaks alot of truth and gives support to Rafa whom has been slated all over the place recently.Rafa is a top class manager,one of the best in the world,but the way he has been talked about lately by people,who frankly know absolutely **** all about managing a top team,are jumping on this "Rafa rant" bandwagon.

                        Rafa is the best manager we have had since Paisley imo. Fagan and Dalglish inherited great teams not needing major overhauls although they achieved great success.

                        I would like to see more positive things said about Rafa,instead of the media trying to make him out to be this raving loony who has suddenly lost the plot.

                        Even our own fans seem to go too far with their opinions of him lately!


                        He deserves more respect than that.I have great faith in knowing he is definately the right man to manage Liverpool FC and to bring home the premiership title.
                        “…Slip like Freudian, your first and last step to playing yourself like accordion.”

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                          #13
                          The problem for Tompkins is he loses some credability with always being positive. He only ever backs the club when it gets a bit of a kicking, never lays into it himself.

                          Whilst that is great in one sense, it also means that his views on Liverpool FC can not always be taken as gospel. Maybe he's just a half full kinda guy.

                          Personally I think we could take any situation and put a positive or negative spin on things, depends on a persons mind set. But I can't remember the last time Tompkins said something negative about the club, despite us going three years without a trophy.

                          Whatever is said in the media is all bollocks, what matters is what ends up in the trophy cabinet.
                          Forwards.......

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                            #14
                            I think its good that we someone who is clearly articulate and good at putting his points across well in defending the club and giving Rafa regularly public backing

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by -V- View Post
                              I think its good that we someone who is clearly articulate and good at putting his points across well in defending the club and giving Rafa regularly public backing
                              It is, since there are so many people on the other side of the fence. But it is still just more media spin. It's like a propaganda war at times!
                              Forwards.......

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