Eye of the Tiger - right till the very last second of the very last game

[Kenneth]

Perhaps the rub of the green was not exactly the best description .. visting teams to Old Trafford especially lower table teams get absolutely no help from the officals whats so ever.

Craig you can say it as you please.. we disagree .. I do not think they deserve the title this season, I beleive we do over all other teams and I have a feeling we will get our just rewards. I believe we can go out and batter teams till the end of the season, i dont think they can .. and that is what it boils down to

Other teams may well point to our record of draws against ****e to suggest we don't deserve it either. It's always the same, if one team doesn't run away with it then people say the winner was lucky, or unworthy. It's all balls really, imo.

[Nicey]

Come off it. We're 30 games into a season and they are top of the league. There is absolutely no argument to make about them being **** or lucky or whatever. Of course they've got points they didn't deserve, as have we, but it does nobody any favours to be blinkered.

"Also their goal scoring has been heavily skewed by the 18 goals they've scored in 5 games against the three promoted teams. "

And why couldn't have we done the same out of interest?

Ok ... lets break it down then shall we .. Against Villa, granted they took there goals well .. you cant argue that, but they were at 6 & 7s at the back, there first goal was the result of a moment of madness from the Luke Young .. now this is the most contentious point for me... Villa were clean through on Goal twice .. and both times it was called offside .. with the last dicesion being an absolute disgrace .. the same lines man did not call a ball clearly over the line for a throw in .. they got lucky against Villa

Out of the 30 odd games .. they have failed to score more than 1 goals in an amazing 18 Games .. They have been **** and you cunts need to watch these arseholes play

[Craig_H]

No surprise that it's you once again leaping to Man U's defence and bristling with indignation at any hint of criticism of them.

You should be on TV mate. I hear that one of the Chuckle Brothers is thinking of packing it in

You're an idiot mate.

Anyone with an eye or a brain cell (you clearly struggle on both counts) can see from my posts over this weekend just how i feel about them.

But i'm not idiotic enough to think they're 'rubbish' or '****', or that they are top of the league by luck, or whatever else.

Grow up, grow a brain cell and then come back to me.

[Craig_H]

Come off it. We're 30 games into a season and they are top of the league. There is absolutely no argument to make about them being **** or lucky or whatever. Of course they've got points they didn't deserve, as have we, but it does nobody any favours to be blinkered.

"Also their goal scoring has been heavily skewed by the 18 goals they've scored in 5 games against the three promoted teams. "

And why couldn't have we done the same out of interest?

Some people think it makes them more of a fan to go on about the mancs being ****.

Cringeworthy and bitter-like.

[Craig_H]

Perhaps the rub of the green was not exactly the best description .. visting teams to Old Trafford especially lower table teams get absolutely no help from the officals whats so ever.

Craig you can say it as you please.. we disagree .. I do not think they deserve the title this season, I beleive we do over all other teams and I have a feeling we will get our just rewards. I believe we can go out and batter teams till the end of the season, i dont think they can .. and that is what it boils down to

I agree with you about lesser sides not getting decisions and it was evident yesterday too with Villa. I still think we benefit in a similar fashion at Anfield, though.

And you're perfectly entitled to think we'll win every game and they wont - i pretty much think so too. I fear they might win the 7 they need and scrape over the line, although i hope not. I dont think we disagree greatly on those things.

What i'd say though, is that after 38 games, 10 months and all the blood, sweat and tears, the team who finishes with the most points deserves to win the title. Please god, let it be us.

[Nicey]

Some people think it makes them more of a fan to go on about the mancs being ****.

Cringeworthy and bitter-like.

I hope you are not referring to me with this comments, I have no problems giving credit to ManU and have done many times in the past .. but I am sorry they have not been up to scratch this season end of story

[Guest]

If we lose it, I will blame the Anfield crowd for the lame atmosphere during some of these bore draws.

[Craig_H]

I hope you are not referring to me with this comments, I have no problems giving credit to ManU and have done many times in the past .. but I am sorry they have not been up to scratch this season end of story

No i wasnt referring to you Nicey. I agree that they havent been as formidable as previous seasons, there's chinks in their armour and the reliance on Ronaldo has been exposed a lot this year.

Having said all that, whatever their inadequecies, they'll still have been better than whoever gets less points than them.

[Craig_H]

If we lose it, I will blame the Anfield crowd for the lame atmosphere during some of these bore draws.

I know you're joking here, but maybe one day you'll join that crowd and sing non stop for 95 minutes. It'll certainly be appreciated by people who have to listen to you harp on in your 'normal life' if you come home without any voice left

[Guest]

I know you're joking here, but maybe one day you'll join that crowd and sing non stop for 95 minutes. It'll certainly be appreciated by people who have to listen to you harp on in your 'normal life' if you come home without any voice left

[Nicey]

No i wasnt referring to you Nicey. I agree that they havent been as formidable as previous seasons, there's chinks in their armour and the reliance on Ronaldo has been exposed a lot this year.

Having said all that, whatever their inadequecies, they'll still have been better than whoever gets less points than them.

See I dont agree with this, if they get lucky, they get some jammy 1 nils and other teams are very unlucky in the chase you cant say they are better .. they just have more points, thats not me being a bitter .. But I have watched every United game this season .. I usually watch 5 prem games a week ... I am very clear on there form and how they are playing .. I have not seen them totally dominate a single team .. well maybe once or twice .. but on the whole for the most part of the season .. they have not created too much in front of goal, they went through a little purple, patch were ok they were playing well but I would say on the whole they have not.

It was criminal of Villa to let them back into that game .. fair play to them they dug in and went at Villa the last 20 .. but look I have watched United play with ****ing Mancs and even they have had to admit at times they have been woeful ... Nani has been piss poor .. Berbatov the most indulgent striker I have seen in years .. ronaldo looks like he as one foot in Spain and after a genuenly impressive spell... Rooney looks like he is losing his rag with his fellow team mates ..Evra .. has been skinned all to often of late .. and Johnny Evans is an acident waiting to happen .. Sure they are a good side Sure they are obviously not **** .. But I still say they are not good enough to win the lg and I will be proven right come the end of the Season ..

[Craig_H]

See I dont agree with this, if they get lucky, they get some jammy 1 nils and other teams are very unlucky in the chase you cant say they are better .. they just have more points, thats not me being a bitter .. But I have watched every United game this season .. I usually watch 5 prem games a week ... I am very clear on there form and how they are playing .. I have not seen them totally dominate a single team .. well maybe once or twice .. but on the whole for the most part of the season .. they have not created too much in front of goal, they went through a little purple, patch were ok they were playing well but I would say on the whole they have not.

It was criminal of Villa to let them back into that game .. fair play to them they dug in and went at Villa the last 20 .. but look I have watched United play with ****ing Mancs and even they have had to admit at times they have been woeful ... Nani has been piss poor .. Berbatov the most indulgent striker I have seen in years .. ronaldo looks like he as one foot in Spain and after a genuenly impressive spell... Rooney looks like he is losing his rag with his fellow team mates ..Evra .. has been skinned all to often of late .. and Johnny Evans is an acident waiting to happen .. Sure they are a good side Sure they are obviously not **** .. But I still say they are not good enough to win the lg and I will be proven right come the end of the Season ..

I hope you are proven right - there's nothing i want more.

As for the lucky thing, yes they've been lucky a few times, but the only point i'm making is, everyone gets lucky sometimes. Not just them, and not just us.

I'm not having a go at you here, so please dont think i am, but i'd just like to ask genuinely, do you honestly think a team can 'fluke' a league title win? Over 38 games? I personally dont think they can, if you do, fair play.

[Nicey]

I dont think you can fluke the lg but I do think that sometimes when the Lg is decided by single digits one team can fluke it over the other 2 teams chasing

[Vermilion]

I hope you are proven right - there's nothing i want more.

As for the lucky thing, yes they've been lucky a few times, but the only point i'm making is, everyone gets lucky sometimes. Not just them, and not just us.

I'm not having a go at you here, so please dont think i am, but i'd just like to ask genuinely, do you honestly think a team can 'fluke' a league title win? Over 38 games? I personally dont think they can, if you do, fair play.

That is obviously impossible. However, as they are massively better than the vast majority of sides in the prem they don't really need to get lucky all through the season, but if their luck happens to come in those important games..where they are struggling, then that can have a huge impact, i've lost count of the times this season when they have been running out of time looking like they would never score...then, some dic head defender does something so stupid and unnecessary and hands the game to them , a bit like yesterday with their 1st goal, Villa were comfortable at the time too.

But your argument overall is correct, our fans will see our last minute winners as fantastic play and well desreved...where as utd's last minute winners will be seen as lucky jammy flukey ****ting *******s.

[Nicey]

Not me ... I give them credit when its due .. I love the game of football .. I even have Dementos Autobiography on my self .. but all too many times they have not deserved anything out of games and came away with 3 points let alone 1