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    #16
    Originally posted by ISO-TONIC
    Ive mentioned that on other forums and been put down a notch. DOnt want to enter here in the same vein. There is a very big case for Agger and Sami rather than Carra and Agger. Big Sami is the only one with a commanding aerial ability. Agger is more like Carra than Sami that is for sure but how can one drop Carra.
    I'm not sure I completly agree with you on that one.

    Agger and Hyypia are both best when played on the left of defence, while Carragher plays best on the right.

    Height-wise there isn't much between Agger and Hyypia, although Hyypia is awesome in the air - I think Agger will be developing this area of his game as he matures.

    Agger is faster than Sami, and quicker on the turn - and can bring the ball out of defence better than either of them.

    Neither Agger not Sami are better at reading the game than Carragher, or marshalling the troops, or willing to die for the cause.

    I just think at the moment Agger is the form player, Hyypia is performing pretty well, and Carragher is below his usual best.
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      #17
      Originally posted by Cacodemon
      I'm not sure I completly agree with you on that one.

      Agger and Hyypia are both best when played on the left of defence, while Carragher plays best on the right.

      Height-wise there isn't much between Agger and Hyypia, although Hyypia is awesome in the air - I think Agger will be developing this area of his game as he matures.

      Agger is faster than Sami, and quicker on the turn - and can bring the ball out of defence better than either of them.

      Neither Agger not Sami are better at reading the game than Carragher, or marshalling the troops, or willing to die for the cause.

      I just think at the moment Agger is the form player, Hyypia is performing pretty well, and Carragher is below his usual best.
      I agree with most of that. But as you may have noticed we have been skinned down the left all year. Riise coming back into the fold has helped but opposition teams are well aware that Agger can get beat in the air. He gets beaten more times than not and it allows teams a second chance at the loose ball. When Sami is playing he hardly ever loses an aerial contest. Agger by far is our best ball playing defender and is needed in that respect. Carra is definatly the heartbeat and Hyypia is the aerial marshall. All have something different to offer and if used correctly against the right teams there will be a case for chopping and changing. Though I do beleive that squad rotation should not be used very often with the back 4. That is one area where stability is continuation is needed in order to have and organised back 4. Mistakes are often punished in this area whereas upfield you can get away with it.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Rosco
        So we concede goals no matter who plays.
        thats how i read it too

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          #19
          Firstly it's too early, but secondly it means **** all if we played Agger in easier games (not that there's been too many!)
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            #20
            Originally posted by disco
            Firstly it's too early, but secondly it means **** all if we played Agger in easier games (not that there's been too many!)
            Fair point. You would also have to see who the competition was for each of the goals otherwise Aurelio could be named as the best defender for not having any goals scored against him when playing the likes of Watford

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              #21
              This info reinforces my statements made on the other site that Carra is past his best.

              Thanks for the info

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                #22
                Carra is past his best? Are you serious? What are you basing that statement on?
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Cacodemon
                  Carra is past his best? Are you serious? What are you basing that statement on?

                  The fact that I think his last 2 seasons will turn out to be his best and his qualities / attributes are not suited to that of an older player.

                  I did make this statement during pre season and as sad as it is to say, I have been proven correct. Thus far!

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                    #24
                    You are entitled to your opinion, obviously. But it is much too early to be writing an obituary about Carragher's performances.
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Cacodemon
                      You are entitled to your opinion, obviously. But it is much too early to be writing an orbituary about Carragher's performances.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Michael
                        This info reinforces my statements made on the other site that Carra is past his best.
                        That's a wind up right ?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Michael
                          The fact that I think his last 2 seasons will turn out to be his best and his qualities / attributes are not suited to that of an older player.

                          I did make this statement during pre season and as sad as it is to say, I have been proven correct. Thus far!
                          but 28 is not an older player....certainly not Centre back anyway. His best attributes are his bulldog never die spirit and organising the dcefence .....he will never lose that
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Cacodemon
                            I'm not sure I completly agree with you on that one.

                            Agger and Hyypia are both best when played on the left of defence, while Carragher plays best on the right.

                            Height-wise there isn't much between Agger and Hyypia, although Hyypia is awesome in the air - I think Agger will be developing this area of his game as he matures.

                            Agger is faster than Sami, and quicker on the turn - and can bring the ball out of defence better than either of them.

                            Neither Agger not Sami are better at reading the game than Carragher, or marshalling the troops, or willing to die for the cause.

                            I just think at the moment Agger is the form player, Hyypia is performing pretty well, and Carragher is below his usual best.
                            If Sami wasn't better at reading the game than Carra he would have been dropped long ago. Certainly much better than Carra imho. If he wasn't a master in this department he's slowmotion movement would have haunted him through his entire career and he would probably never have played for Liverpool.

                            I have followed Agger for a long time being Danish and all and I can say beyond any reasonable doubt that you can't compare him to either player. Compare him to Alan Hansen if you must.
                            Last edited by CAD; 11-10-06, 02:39 PM.


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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Michael
                              This info reinforces my statements made on the other site that Carra is past his best.

                              Thanks for the info
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by disco
                                Firstly it's too early, but secondly it means **** all if we played Agger in easier games (not that there's been too many!)

                                I agree it's very early to make any conclusions, but as for easier games - Agger played both Chelski games and Both CL games so far. He did miss the Derby and the Bolton game.

                                Carra being finished We are only starting to see the Best of him. He has another 5 yrs in him at the Highest Level. His strength is and will always be his commitment. That is priceless
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