Carra

[Craig_H]

Aye, pick one example of a hoof ball where it leads to a goal and ignore the dozens and dozens of hoofs he does every season that lose us the ball. That's me told.

I was pissing about, stress-head That one wasnt a hoof though, it was clearly a pass.

I dont think Carra's distribution undoes all the other good stuff.

[Dhav]

I was pissing about, stress-head That one wasnt a hoof though, it was clearly a pass.

I dont think Carra's distribution undoes all the other good stuff.

No it doesn't, but when he does air kicks that give opponents a free run on goal, then he starts arguing with his teammates, well it starts to build up

[Craig_H]

And your turn to pick two completely isoalted incidents, and ignore the dozens and dozens of times each season, where he's the reason why we dont concede a goal and why our team spirit is top notch

[Exiled_red]

No matter what attributes Skrtel and Agger have, neither have Carra's leadership skills and as a defensive unit that is one of the most important things. Until one of the two steps up and accepts the responsibility Carragher will be our best defender

[Craig_H]

No matter what attributes Skrtel and Agger have, neither have Carra's leadership skills and as a defensive unit that is one of the most important things. Until one of the two steps up and accepts the responsibility Carragher will be our best defender

Fully agree.

My preferred pairing is Carra and Agger.

[Mike]

I'd take issue with the bit in bold. I thought he was average this season, based purely on his own high standards, and the concern has to be that his age is starting to catch up with him. I do think his leadership and organisational skills are key to us, but when it is bordering on arguing with your own teammates then those can quickly become liabilities rather than assets. He'll need to start the season off well, because if he continues on a downward spiral he could find himself out of the team and below Skrtel and Agger in the pecking order.

Exactly what i mean

[Welhung]

Carra would definately still have to be our #1 choice for CB judging his consistency over the last season. What he lacks in flair and creativity as a player he more than makes up for with his leadership skills and grit. Both very valuable assets. He keeps our **** together.

Start integrating Agger & Skrtel into more games together this coming season. Even play them together at home games...?

[BobTheCharmer]

It seems some people will only realise what Carra brings when he's gone.

Easily our best and most consistent centre back this season and for many gone by.

Him and Agger should be the first choice pairing for the next 3 to 4 seasons, injuries permitting. IMO Skrtel isn't fit to lace Carra's boots. I honestly find nothing to like about the guy. He gives away needless fouls, is clumsy,panics in area plus his distribution is at times woeful. I'm probably being harsh on the guy but he doesn't float my boat.

Agger has more footballing ability than our entire back four put together and Carra knows the art of defending.

[red g]

It seems some people will only realise what Carra brings when he's gone.

Easily our best and most consistent centre back this season and for many gone by.

Him and Agger should be the first choice pairing for the next 3 to 4 seasons, injuries permitting. IMO Skrtel isn't fit to lace Carra's boots. I honestly find nothing to like about the guy. He gives away needless fouls, is clumsy,panics in area plus his distribution is at times woeful. I'm probably being harsh on the guy but he doesn't float my boat.

Agger has more footballing ability than our entire back four put together and Carra knows the art of defending.

definitely a bit harsh os skrtel bear in mind his age, think the lad needs a couple of years behind Jamie and needs to read the game better, sure he will come good but dont talk of him replacing Carra at the moment is pure madness.

[bobbyfallon]

carra is not finished yet. first choice next season again

[BobTheCharmer]

definitely a bit harsh os skrtel bear in mind his age, think the lad needs a couple of years behind Jamie and needs to read the game better, sure he will come good but dont talk of him replacing Carra at the moment is pure madness.

on reflection there have been games this season where he's done well but I never feel confident watching him. I always think he's going to **** up at any given moment.

I honestly can't see both Agger & Skrtel being here in 12 months. I don't think either will be happy not playing regulary and thats what you need your centre backs to be doing. If Agger actually stays fit for a season he won't be content bench warming as we've already seen evidence of. Rafa has been fortunate that Agger and then Skrtel both have had lengthy injuries.

[Darth Marty]

Granted he hasnt had a spectacular season BY HIS OWN STANDARDS but I think its a season or 3 too early to write the lad off just yet. Ill wager Jamie knows full well he hasnt been his brilliant best this season and will rectify that next.

[MrMichael]

You're on very dodgy ground here mate. As a general rule it's pointless trying to constructively criticise ANY player on this site. You are usually met with a tirade of statistics pointing to the contrary. Most seem to simply want to "get behind and support the current players", an attitude which is admirable, at any cost and refuse to even contemplate for a single second that any of them are no longer or ever were good enough to play for LFC.
It's seen as almost treason by some to say what you've said. It's a sad state of affairs when you can't constructively criticise your team's manager, players, tactics etc without being abused. Players like Bellamy, Pennant, Riise etc were all vehemently defended in the face of criticism on this site and yet when they leave it's OK to say what you like about them because they're no longer Liverpool players.
You're no less of a supporter in my opinion if you happen to dislike a certain player or think a certain player is past his best and have the balls to come out and say it. What harm is there in discussing it?

Hold on 2 secs, I don't think any of the people who've replied to this thread so far have treated the op in that way at all, far from it in fact. Disagreed, yes, but treated as a genuine subject certainly. There's very rarely any issues on here imo if people make reasonable and constructive points, critical or not. I don't think anyone has a problem with the sort of posts and discussions you seem to be talking about, and if their posts are met with abuse that's what the report button is for. Over the course of the last season there's been a hell of a lot of criticism dished out on this site really when you think how most people would see things with the benefit of hindsight.

A lot of people however have an issue with posters disrespecting or abusing our manager, players or club, that's not constructive at all and rarely inspires constructive responses. There were points during the season were that sort of thing got out of hand, we all know how it went, one person calls Benitez a "fat waiter" or something, another calls them a cunt, someone else called them both cunts and off we went. People got very entrenched for a long time in one camp or another, rcdnw and all that nonsense, and things got very fractious, but I kinda think we might, almost, possibly, be past that right now, just for a little bit at least.

[MrMichael]

His performances this season have not been as good as in the past, seems to be showing his age. Maybe i am a bit harsh, dont get me wrong i love jamie and am a big fan but this season i think there have been a few glimpses of an ageing jamie.

Personally, i would like to see Agger and Skrtel put ahead of him as first choice CB pairing; let them gel into a great partnership.

Thoughts?

Carra is still top notch imo. And experience counts for a lot in a centre-back, I think a pairing of Agger and Skrtel might, to begin with at least, expose both their flaws rather than their strengths without Carra next to them.

I'm not sure Jamie didn't play through an injury at one point this season, and I would like to see us in a position where we are able to rest him properly when necessary. In a 60 game season 3 cb's can play 40 times each, at the moment that would be my preferred option for us next season..... and Carra would still start all the big games.

[SB]

It seems some people will only realise what Carra brings when he's gone.

Easily our best and most consistent centre back this season and for many gone by.

Him and Agger should be the first choice pairing for the next 3 to 4 seasons, injuries permitting. IMO Skrtel isn't fit to lace Carra's boots. I honestly find nothing to like about the guy. He gives away needless fouls, is clumsy,panics in area plus his distribution is at times woeful. I'm probably being harsh on the guy but he doesn't float my boat.

Agger has more footballing ability than our entire back four put together and Carra knows the art of defending.

I can't begin to tell you how happy I am to hear you say that