Are we mugs?

[qabiri]

Excuse me but if an Argentinian is homesick hows going to Spain going to help?
Argentina and Spain whilst speaking the same language are not the same country are they?
I mean if an English man is homesick would living in Australia help his argument?,no it ruddy wouldn't.

[Reece]

Excuse me but if an Argentinian is homesick hows going to Spain going to help?
I mean if an English man is homesick would living in Australia help his argument?,no it ruddy wouldn't.

I don't know if it's homesickness or just not being able to settle into the area (none of us do). If it's the latter though then I'd suggest that Spain is more similar in culture and climate to Argentina than Liverpool

[qabiri]

Well they never complained at West Ham did they?
If they really want to go then why not cut their losses and hand in a transfer request and get this sorted as soon as possible rather than let agents witter on about perceived hardships which the majority of us fans can,t fathom.

[Reece]

How do you know? And they weren't exactly there for very long

[qabiri]

Well when he was sitting on the bench at West Ham there were no complaints from his agent reported in the press were there?

[zimbo]

Excuse me but if an Argentinian is homesick hows going to Spain going to help?
Argentina and Spain whilst speaking the same language are not the same country are they?
I mean if an English man is homesick would living in Australia help his argument?,no it ruddy wouldn't.

Whilst it might not cure his homesickness, being surrounded by Australians would certainly make him feel a lot better about himself.

[EwarWoo]

Whilst it might not cure his homesickness, being surrounded by Australians would certainly make him feel a lot better about himself.

Nah, they're not that bad.

Their sports fans can be whiny, bitter little people, but after seeing threads like this I realise it's not that far removed from home

[EwarWoo]

Excuse me but if an Argentinian is homesick hows going to Spain going to help?
Argentina and Spain whilst speaking the same language are not the same country are they?
I mean if an English man is homesick would living in Australia help his argument?,no it ruddy wouldn't.

I don't believe that was the case, I believe it was stated his wife was not happy in the UK and wanted to remain in Spain where she currently lives and is happy.

Unconfirmed speculation of course, but easier to come to the conclusion he wants his family to be happy than the conclusion of he's a cunt if you ask me.

[qabiri]

Excuse me mate i have never called either Xavi or Mash a cunt ever on these boards ever and that's part of the problem.
Either of these guys can stop speculation about themselves at any time its quite simple really.
All they have to do is get their agents send a fax telling them they are not interested or if they are send a fax asking for a transfer to our manager,simple no?
We turned them into two of the best players in the world in their respective positions and as soon as they hit the heights they all of a sudden can't cope with living in England.
I remember when Mash first turned up and how he went on about how much he owed Rafa for saving him from mediocrity at the Hammers oh have times changed.

[kingfunk]

I don't believe that was the case, I believe it was stated his wife was not happy in the UK and wanted to remain in Spain where she currently lives and is happy.

Unconfirmed speculation of course, but easier to come to the conclusion he wants his family to be happy than the conclusion of he's a cunt if you ask me.

If only you had Rafa`s job, We would be sorted. nothing like a revolving door of players.

[el matador]

i think that we've all got to expect that at some stage foreign players will leave to return back home.

Xabi alonso has been a fabulous player for us and has done his time abroad. He returns back to madrid a much better player than when he arrived and had matured into one of the finest central midfield playmakers in the world.

His loss will be catastrophic to liverpool. I dont have any such empathy for mascherano as my wife has been pissing me off for most of our married life and that hasnt resulted in me leaving for another climate.

Not good enough. It looks like the xabi deal is very near to completion for 35m euros.

http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=631664&idseccio_PK=805

El Madrid ofrece 35 millones por Xabi AlonsoEl Liverpool aceptó negociar por el jugador y las conversaciones entre los clubs se intensificaron durante el día de ayer. El fichaje está a punto

Xabi Alonso será nuevo jugador del Real Madrid en las próximas horas. El Liverpool, que hasta el momento se había mostrado reacio a negociar, cambió de opinión después de la última oferta presentada por el club blanco: 35 millones de euros. Los contactos entre el Liverpool y el Real Madrid se intensificaron durante el día de ayer y las posturas se acercaron mucho. Tanto que es muy posible que en las próximas horas se haga oficial el fichaje de Xabi Alonso por el Madrid. El internacional español formará parte del nuevo Madrid de los galácticos junto a Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaká, Benzema y compañía.

El centrocampista internacional era una de las prioridades del nuevo entrenador Manuel Pellegrini. El Madrid lleva varias semanas tanteando el fichaje del futbolista, pero se ha encontrado con la negativa del Liverpool en todo momento. El club inglés no quería desprenderse de uno de los jugadores más importantes de las últimas temporadas. Sin embargo, la presión que ha ejercido el centrocampista en los últimos días y la última oferta presentada por el club blanco ha acabado de ablandar a los dirigentes ‘reds’.

En un primer momento, el Madrid ofreció unos 24 millones de euros por el futbolista, una cifra que no satisfacía las exigencias de los ingleses. Las negociaciones se convirtieron en un tira y afloja. El Liverpool sólo estaba dispuesto a negociar si la oferta se incrementaba hasta los 38 millones de euros. Tras unos días de tregua, el Madrid volvió a la carga con una propuesta que se antoja prácticamente definitiva. Los 35 millones ofrecidos por los blancos parecen suficientes.

El director deportivo del Real Madrid, Miguel Pardeza, aseguró que Xabi Alonso sería “muy bueno” para el equipo blanco ya que daría “equilibrio”. “El mercado ha ido convirtiendo a los centrocampistas creativos en una especia en extinción. Los pocos que hay son muy preciados o están en equipos de los que es difícil sacarlos. No hay que traer por traer”, señaló. Para el responsable deportivo, la oferta en el mercado es limitada y el guipuzcoano es de los pocos jugadores que se ajusta a las demandas del técnico. “Ojalá hubiera más alternativas a Xabi Alonso, pero el mercado no ofrece más”, añadió.

La ausencia de Xabi Alonso en el partido amistoso que jugó ayer el Liverpool ante Thailandia es, cuanto menos, sospechosa. El conjunto inglés argumentó que el de Tolosa arrastraba unas molestias físicas que le impedían jugar. El encuentro acabó con empate a uno. Sin embargo, la realidad es que los técnicos decidieron reservarlo para evitar alguna posible lesión que complicase el fichaje por el Madrid.

Salvo monumental catástrofe, Xabi Alonso dejará el Liverpool para incorporarse al Madrid. Después de cinco temporadas en el fútbol inglés, el donostiarra vuelve a su país para formar parte del multimillonario proyecto de Florentino Pérez.

[kingfunk]

Translation on Alonso thread.

[EwarWoo]

Excuse me mate i have never called either Xavi or Mash a cunt ever on these boards ever

Sorry, didn't mean to insinuate you did. I was quoting you but also referring to those who had.

We turned them into two of the best players in the world in their respective positions

Bollocks we did. We may have aided them move to where they are, but we didn't suddenly turn Vinnie Jones into Kaka. They'd have got development anywhere they went.

Besides who owes who what is completely besides the point.

I remember when Mash first turned up and how he went on about how much he owed Rafa for saving him from mediocrity at the Hammers oh have times changed.

Definitely changed, I saw a statement the other day saying he thought he owed nothing.....or is that that dreaded assumption again?

If only you had Rafa`s job, We would be sorted. nothing like a revolving door of players.

Well, I have posted that I wouldn't let them leave, at any cost, however because I think it's out of order to call our current players cunts and mercenaries with no evidence of course I'd be shoving 'em out the door.

Good solid logic, similar to what they're being slated by I suppose.

As I say anyways, not aimed at those quoted but in general, if you're calling them names based on assumptions, and saying they should be loyal, you have no loyalty and you're an hypocrite.

[qabiri]

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Excuse me mate i have never called either Xavi or Mash a cunt ever on these boards ever
Sorry, didn't mean to insinuate you did. I was quoting you but also referring to those who had.

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Originally Posted by qabiri View Post
We turned them into two of the best players in the world in their respective positions
Bollocks we did. We may have aided them move to where they are, but we didn't suddenly turn Vinnie Jones into Kaka. They'd have got development anywhere they went.

Besides who owes who what is completely besides the point.

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Originally Posted by qabiri View Post
I remember when Mash first turned up and how he went on about how much he owed Rafa for saving him from mediocrity at the Hammers oh have times changed.
Definitely changed, I saw a statement the other day saying he thought he owed nothing.....or is that that dreaded assumption again?

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Originally Posted by kingfunk View Post
If only you had Rafa`s job, We would be sorted. nothing like a revolving door of players.
Well, I have posted that I wouldn't let them leave, at any cost, however because I think it's out of order to call our current players cunts and mercenaries with no evidence of course I'd be shoving 'em out the door.

Good solid logic, similar to what they're being slated by I suppose.

As I say anyways, not aimed at those quoted but in general, if you're calling them names based on assumptions, and saying they should be loyal, you have no loyalty and you're an hypocrite.
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I was just wonder if some who defend these two players belonged to something i like to call The Flat Earth Society, i coined this phrase on craptalk in relation to people who see what is going on but refuse to believe or acknowledge it.

[squaddie]

That's a fair point but this merry-go-round could be stopped by a statement from each of the players. If they want to leave, good luck to them, we'll move on but they shouldn't hide behind unhappy wives or agent speak.

What he said.

At the end of the day if you were unhappy with anything (from the food to your missus whingin) being a professional footballer and could fix/change it, most would. I just think certain players can override these 'niggles' if it means they can play in a red shirt. Im not happy at all with the way Alonso particularly has handled the situation..... If he wants to leave i'd open the door for him.