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    October 14th & its all over bar the shouting

    Whilst I didn't expect us to win the title this season ( I thought we'd be 2nd) I did expect us to put in a pretty serious challenge. Yet here we are in mid October with less than a quarter of the season gone & we are more or less out of the title race.

    Some may argue we are still in with a chance. If we beat the Mancs next week we are only 5 points off them. We still have to play Chelsea at home & The arse home & away. However, this is very much clutching at straws.
    we are 8 points off Man U & Chelsea & 6 off Arsenal if they win their game in hand. I'm not being pesimistic, just realistic. Number 19 isn't coming home this season.

    So what gone wrong. How has our challenge evaporated so quickly.

    well first up, the spine of our team has been poor. our recent success has largely been built on a great defence with a gerrard inspired attack. our defence has been woeful, particularly Reina. His nightmare Cup Final has spilled into this season & he's been very poor. We look very vulnerable from crosses but Reina isn't alone.

    Carra has been way below par for me. He's made more mistakes this season than he made all last season. Agger has been impressive & Hyppia solid but that apart we've been poor. We've missed JAR when he was injured, something I never thought would be the case. Warnocks ok but Aurelio has been very poor. His Galatasary performance was a disgrace. Even the ever relaible finnan has wobbled at times.

    Next up is SG. By his own high standards he's been average at best. No league goals speaks volumes about his form. Rafa doesn't fancy him in the middle away from home and SG looks unhappy to me.

    Alonso has been off form too. His form has picked up a bit but early on he didn't warrant his place. Maybe the World Cup has took its toll on SG & Alonso. But the other top teams had plenty of players there & they've still done the business. I'm afraid tiredness won't cut it as an excuse.

    Next up is rotation. I'm not opposed to it per se but Rafa has gone OTT at times. My problem is that rotation is ok when players are used to the style of play. But Rafa's been rotating players who've just arrived at LFC. No wonder Pennant & Aurelio have struggled to fit in. They play one game in about 3. how can they establish themselves under such conditions. At times we've played 4 or 5 new boys in the same team. You can't do that & expect to carry on from last season. we should have had a nucleus of 7 or 8 players, playing all the time with new players fitted in around them.

    We've had 2 new strikers playing together more often than not. We should have played Crouch & Bellamy, then introduced Kuyt slowly when Bellamy was settled in a bit. It takes time for players to settle into a settled side. Its almost impossible to settle into a side with 4 or 5 changes every game. As our new boys have tried to settle into an unsetteld side, performances & results have suffered whilst Arsenal, Man U & Chelsea have sailed away into the distance.

    As the season goes on we will improve, but it will be too late. I hope Rafa learns from this poor start for future seasons. When introducing new players you need a reasonably settled side to introduce them into, not 1 with 4 or 5 changes every week.
    AKA Heighway No9

    #2
    Good yet depressing post mate.

    I'm too depressed to muster up the energy to post a thoughtful reply. We've just got to win at the soulless theatre of delusions next week. Got to.
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      #3
      Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso
      Good yet depressing post mate.

      I'm too depressed to muster up the energy to post a thoughtful reply. We've just got to win at the soulless theatre of delusions next week. Got to.
      I looked at those two games and i said i'd be happy with 4 points from 6. Thought it would be the other way about. Our away form is dreadful.

      BTW, Blackburn were the form side going into yesterday's fixture - they're no mugs.
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        #4
        I never thought we'd win the league this season, but i did expect us to run Chelsea close and be a strong second.

        To have to rely on taking points off of Chelski, Arse etc at this stage of the season in order to save it says it all IMO.

        The season league-wise has evaporated before our very eyes before the end of October, unbelievable.
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          #5
          Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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            #6
            Just to offer a different take on things.

            I'm not sure rotation is to blame. People bleat on about rotation but the only two changes we made yesterday were because of injuries to Momo and Agger. If rotation is such a problem why did nobody mention the fact that we hadn't fielded the same side in 80 odd games at the end of last season when we were on a run of form worthy of champions ? (Remember the stats that some mentioned, from October on we were better than Chelsea). We are unbeaten in our last 20 games at home, during which period we have been rotating.

            Our problem lies in Rafa benching Crouch when he was in the form of his life, benching Garcia when it was clear he was on top form, persisting with Pennant despite him being utterly woeful, playing Steven Gerrard on the left to accomodate Pennant, persisting with Fabio Aurelio when 90% of the goals we concede come down the left. That coupled to a bad run of form from Reina, some sub par games by Alonso (who is back to normal now) and Gerrard and a patent inability to hit the back of the net have resulted in a slow start to the season.

            We may have got away with most of the above had we had a kinder fixture list, but we haven't so there's no point in crying over spilt milk. (Although it's interesting to look at our last two months fixtures)

            We've also missed Carra, Agger, Riise, Momo, Kuyt and Kewell through injury for varying lengths of time.

            We've been sub par but it's within ourselves to change these things, unfortunately I'm not convinced Rafa will pick the right team every week. If he plays Gerrard on the left at OT I'll tear out my hair.

            There's a long way to go yet, United have had an easier start to the season and they have looked impressive but that can change easily. Chelsea haven't been in top form and now have to face up to the prospect of their two best goalkeepers being out injured for a while, Arsenal have great potential but I haven't been totally convinced they are up to winning the title this year.

            It's still far too early to be making predictions like this now, we are 8 points down but teams have come back from bigger deficits.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Rosco
              Just to offer a different take on things.

              I'm not sure rotation is to blame. People bleat on about rotation but the only two changes we made yesterday were because of injuries to Momo and Agger. If rotation is such a problem why did nobody mention the fact that we hadn't fielded the same side in 80 odd games at the end of last season when we were on a run of form worthy of champions ? (Remember the stats that some mentioned, from October on we were better than Chelsea). We are unbeaten in our last 20 games at home, during which period we have been rotating.
              Mate only one word is needed to counter this. Extent!

              We have never changed the team/positions as much as we have been since this season started. Couple this with bleeding in new players to make things even worse. There are countless threads proving this if you trawl through the archives.

              We can't even identify a spine to the team given the selections thus far. Yesterday the selection couldn't be helped - i'll give you that. But you can't discount whats been going on previously in this regard. Especially in central defence - i am certain it a football management faux pas to meddle in this area, carved somewhere in the footballing heavens. Anyhow Carra and Hyppia for the next four weeks at least.

              Anyone who has played the game, at any level, will tell you playing in different positions every week is the most infurating thing for a footballer.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Rosco
                We've been sub par but it's within ourselves to change these things, unfortunately I'm not convinced Rafa will pick the right team every week. If he plays Gerrard on the left at OT I'll tear out my hair.
                Can't agree more on this - i've been outraged at this all season. To slot Pennant in position over a fit Gerrard is outrageous. If i was Gerrard i'd have pulled strips off Rafa for this (for the good of the team).

                I'm sure Rafa has acknowledged this by now though.
                Last edited by Bob; 15-10-06, 01:51 PM.
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                  #9
                  FAR too early to rule us out of the title race after 8 games, there's another transfer window to get through first. All you can say is we have to see some serious improvements all over the pitch to get back amongst them.
                  When Newcastle were 13 points clear of Man Utd in December, you didn't hear them give up. When Houllier was laid up in hospital PT had us 8 points clear in December and we pissed it up the wall.
                  When we won the double we were 10 points back after about a dozen games.

                  We're only in the warm up, all we have o do is pick up enough points to keep in touch until the turn of the year.
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                  (1995)
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Marvin
                    We're only in the warm up, all we have o do is pick up enough points to keep in touch until the turn of the year.

                    Eaiser said than done. We were saying the same things after the derby and chelsea games. Unbeaten runs like we went on last season dont come around all the time. WE need another one of them just to haul us back into contention and then ANOTHER one to win the league.

                    Looking gloomy to me
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                      #11
                      Our problems?

                      Pennant and Bellamy in particular aren't good enough. But they are regulars with us.

                      Rafa rotates too much.

                      Our top players, especially Gerrard, aren't performing.

                      We lack a top class goalpoacher, our strikers *COUGH*Bellamy*COUGH* especially miss loads of chances. It's costing us.

                      Rafa doesn't send the team out with attacking intent from the first away from home. We sit back and let the home team get a grip on the game. The scum and chavs don't allow teams to do that do they?

                      In general we lack creativity and movement in the final third.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rosco
                        Just to offer a different take on things.

                        I'm not sure rotation is to blame. People bleat on about rotation but the only two changes we made yesterday were because of injuries to Momo and Agger. If rotation is such a problem why did nobody mention the fact that we hadn't fielded the same side in 80 odd games at the end of last season when we were on a run of form worthy of champions ? (Remember the stats that some mentioned, from October on we were better than Chelsea). We are unbeaten in our last 20 games at home, during which period we have been rotating.
                        Most depressing post Ive ever read!

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                          #13
                          looks like we were a one man team after all
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bob
                            If i was Gerrard i'd have pulled strips off Rafa for this (for the good of the team).
                            Normally agree with most of your stuff mate, but that's ridiculous, there's no for the good of the team if you do something like that.

                            Also disagree with the topic title, it's not all over yet, but we've left ourself with a very hard run in now. We have to win at Greyskull to keep within touching distance of our rivals, anything less than a win there and i'll concede defeat. however I only ever thought we'd make second this season, but even that will be tough now.
                            Thomas Hicks Senior

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Morphorino
                              Normally agree with most of your stuff mate, but that's ridiculous, there's no for the good of the team if you do something like that.
                              Ok, let's think out of the box.

                              Let's just say i'm the best at what i do i.e. programming. And my boss said 'right i've had a think, i'm gonna get the web developer to do your project, and you can do web design for a while instead'. I would hand on heart tell him to shove that idea up his arse and **** off when he's doing it.

                              You have the best in the world being shunted around the team to accommodate mediocre wannabes e.g. Web developers. Now i can do web development like Gerrard can play on the left, but for the good of the project its best i remain on it, like its best for LFC if Gerrard remains on the right.

                              Footballers aren't sheep they should question the boss if they disagree with his instructions, and obviously on a one-to-one. I've spoke to my coach/fellow players when they ask me to play a stupid position that i think is absurd - i'd hope Gerrard would as well.

                              Don't you question your boss for the good of your company? I'm afraid you're an idiot if you don't.

                              PS. nothing against web developers, just the one at our work - the Pennant of his profession.
                              Last edited by Bob; 15-10-06, 07:35 PM.
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