2010 Home grown player quota

[Craig_H]

From September 2010, clubs will only be able to field matchday squads from a list of 25 squad members, previously submitted to the PL.

Of the 25, 8 must be home grown. No players outside the 25 will be eligible to play in Premier League matches, however players under the age of 21 that are not included in the 25, will be allowed to feature.

Clubs will be allowed to amend their 25 man list in the January transfer window.

[Baracus]

Shouldn't be a problem for any club really.

[Craig_H]

Apparently every club meets the criteria currently, but us and Chelsea only have 8 home grown 'squad members' as things stand.

[Baracus]

I'm sure every club agreed to this, otherwise it would not have happened. I'm sure when we get rid of more deadwood, like voronin. We can easily replaceable them with some foreign 'homegrown' player like nemeth?

[Joe King]

Seems a good idea as it obviously encourages youth productivity.

[Guest]

What does 'home grown' means? Is it like having an allotment?

[Darkon]

A step in the right direction I guess. But all this really encourages is the big clubs taking in even more youngsters from smaller clubs. The only way it could get better is if FIFA starts to truly uphold their ruling over chelsea.

What could really help in promoting talents - and not least from your own country would be to set the number of years at the club up to perhaps 5 instead. That way it would be nearly impossible to traffick in youngsters from abroad for long enough.

But no CL club should have any trouble with this, as it's already a requirement there.

[The_weatherman]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/14/premier-league-richard-scudamore-squads

Restrictions on squad sizes will force clubs to overhaul playing staff
• Squads of 25 must include eight 'home-grown' players
• 'To make rather than buy is intent' says Scudamore
* Owen Gibson

Big Squads

New regulations limiting the size and make-up of playing squads could have a big impact on clubs like Manchester United. Photograph: Ibrahim Usta/AP

Liverpool and several other Premier League clubs will have to dramatically overhaul their playing staffs for next season, when new rules will be introduced forcing them to limit squad sizes and encourage the development of "home-grown" talent.

The league's chief executive, Richard Scudamore, revealed that the 20 top-flight clubs last week agreed to the new rules. They are broadly based on Uefa's regulations for clubs competing in the Champions League and the Europa League but applying them to the Premier League as well will force some to slim down their squads in the face of accusations they are "stockpiling" talent.

Under the rules, clubs will have to name a squad of 25 players over 21 before the season begins. Eight of those players must be "home-grown", in that they must have been developed for at least three years by an English or Welsh club before their 21st birthday. They can name a second, limitless list of players under 21 and both lists can be resubmitted at the end of the January transfer window.

Liverpool will be among the worst-hit clubs. According to their website, they have 56 registered professionals with 23 battling for 17 spots for non-home-grown players within the squad under the new rules.

"It clearly encourages youth development and the promotion of young players, but, and we don't apologise for it, it goes nowhere near a nationality test because we don't believe that's right," said Scudamore. However, naturally, it is encouragement to those who are developed locally – from within your association – and that will encourage players who are qualified to play for the home country."

The Premier League, which signalled a U-turn earlier this year from its historic opposition to rules placing limits on squad sizes or introducing quotas, is likely to face criticism from some who feel the rules do not go far enough.

But Scudamore insisted the new rules would have a meaningful impact. "For players and agents, it will have an effect. It will reduce squad sizes, it will stop the warehousing of players. It will have an impact. If you're not in that 17, you're not playing. This is going to alter some dynamics," he said.

"Nothing is going to stop a club buying a 25-year-old from abroad. But they will have to get rid of someone else [to do so]. There will be some interesting discussions with those who are surplus to requirements and won't make the 17."

He refused to comment directly on the allegations about Premier League clubs scouring Europe for the best young talent in the wake of Fifa banning Chelsea from signing any new players until 2011 over the Gaël Kakuta affair.

"There aren't thousands of young people being shipped over here and brought into our academies," he said. "There are some, but the rhetoric of the last three weeks would have you believe there are boat loads coming in all the time. There are ones and twos."

The Premier League points to figures showing that 85% of the 320 academy scholars at its clubs are British, a figure that rises to 95% for the 2,486 students under the age of 16.

However, there is an acceptance that there is an issue around "transitioning" players aged between 18 and 21 to the first team. Scudamore said the new rules would help and promised it would be an area of focus for the league's new director of youth, Ged Roddy.

"It is a rule we think will give extra incentive for clubs to invest in youth development. The intention is to make a better return from investment in youth, to transition more players from the youth team to the first team. To make rather than buy is the intention," he said.

Even if it merely encouraged clubs to buy younger players he said the effect would be a positive one, using a culinary analogy to liken them to "that doughy stuff you buy half-made".

"You can buy semi-cooked stuff at 18, 19, 20 and that is better than someone saying 'forget youth development, I'm going to buy 25 to 31-year-olds from abroad fully cooked'."

The new proposals were partly motivated by the intervention of the former culture secretary Andy Burnham, who last year challenged football authorities on a wide-ranging series of questions concerning the future of the game.

[The_weatherman]

Of course we have by far the most players and by far the most imports and if we win the title it shouldn't count if the papers are anything to go by. But off the top of my head, there are:

Carragher
Gerrard
Johnson
Kelly
Spearing

Who definately qualify as home grown. But I think players like Insua and Nemeth should also qualify, Ayala is well on his way to and Ecclestone, Amoo are not too far off to be involved in the squad. How old is N'Gog anyway?

So on that basis we need 1 player. ONE player we need to buy so we fullfill the criteria, that's not so bad.

[billy_mac]

2010 Home grown player quota

What do we all make of this news or is it news at all? Are the same restrictions not already in place for our champions league squad?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/14/premier-league-richard-scudamore-squads

Restrictions on squad sizes will force clubs to overhaul playing staff
• Squads of 25 must include eight 'home-grown' players
• 'To make rather than buy is intent' says Scudamore

Liverpool and several other Premier League clubs will have to dramatically overhaul their playing staffs for next season, when new rules will be introduced forcing them to limit squad sizes and encourage the development of "home-grown" talent.

The league's chief executive, Richard Scudamore, revealed that the 20 top-flight clubs last week agreed to the new rules. They are broadly based on Uefa's regulations for clubs competing in the Champions League and the Europa League but applying them to the Premier League as well will force some to slim down their squads in the face of accusations they are "stockpiling" talent.

Under the rules, clubs will have to name a squad of 25 players over 21 before the season begins. Eight of those players must be "home-grown", in that they must have been developed for at least three years by an English or Welsh club before their 21st birthday. They can name a second, limitless list of players under 21 and both lists can be resubmitted at the end of the January transfer window.

Liverpool will be among the worst-hit clubs. According to their website, they have 56 registered professionals with 23 battling for 17 spots for non-home-grown players within the squad under the new rules.

"It clearly encourages youth development and the promotion of young players, but, and we don't apologise for it, it goes nowhere near a nationality test because we don't believe that's right," said Scudamore. However, naturally, it is encouragement to those who are developed locally – from within your association – and that will encourage players who are qualified to play for the home country."

The Premier League, which signalled a U-turn earlier this year from its historic opposition to rules placing limits on squad sizes or introducing quotas, is likely to face criticism from some who feel the rules do not go far enough.

But Scudamore insisted the new rules would have a meaningful impact. "For players and agents, it will have an effect. It will reduce squad sizes, it will stop the warehousing of players. It will have an impact. If you're not in that 17, you're not playing. This is going to alter some dynamics," he said.

"Nothing is going to stop a club buying a 25-year-old from abroad. But they will have to get rid of someone else [to do so]. There will be some interesting discussions with those who are surplus to requirements and won't make the 17."

He refused to comment directly on the allegations about Premier League clubs scouring Europe for the best young talent in the wake of Fifa banning Chelsea from signing any new players until 2011 over the Gaël Kakuta affair.

"There aren't thousands of young people being shipped over here and brought into our academies," he said. "There are some, but the rhetoric of the last three weeks would have you believe there are boat loads coming in all the time. There are ones and twos."

The Premier League points to figures showing that 85% of the 320 academy scholars at its clubs are British, a figure that rises to 95% for the 2,486 students under the age of 16.

However, there is an acceptance that there is an issue around "transitioning" players aged between 18 and 21 to the first team. Scudamore said the new rules would help and promised it would be an area of focus for the league's new director of youth, Ged Roddy.

"It is a rule we think will give extra incentive for clubs to invest in youth development. The intention is to make a better return from investment in youth, to transition more players from the youth team to the first team. To make rather than buy is the intention," he said.

Even if it merely encouraged clubs to buy younger players he said the effect would be a positive one, using a culinary analogy to liken them to "that doughy stuff you buy half-made".

"You can buy semi-cooked stuff at 18, 19, 20 and that is better than someone saying 'forget youth development, I'm going to buy 25 to 31-year-olds from abroad fully cooked'."

The new proposals were partly motivated by the intervention of the former culture secretary Andy Burnham, who last year challenged football authorities on a wide-ranging series of questions concerning the future of the game.

[Scratch]

Insua
Gerrard
Johnson
Carragher
Spearing
Pacheco
2 other non-playing members, ala CL squads (Ayala? San Jose? Kelly?)

When did Benni join the EPL?? (edit: 2005, at the age of 25...scratch him off the list)

[dww]

I bet a lot of that 23/56 are young and therefore count for the second list any way. I think this is a fuss made about nothing.

[MrMichael]

I bet a lot of that 23/56 are young and therefore count for the second list any way. I think this is a fuss made about nothing.

And at least one of the 23 we have to make go into 17 is Itjande, he most certainly doesn't count

[kev776]

This ruling has just bumped up the price of very average English players by about 25%

[billy_mac]

I'm thinking its a good thing, in that it will stop rafa buying squad players and they'll actually come through the ranks after probably being bought that is as a teenager or younger. The price of child labour is going to go through the roof. More so now than before, the price of a potential star will soar. This mightn't be a bad thing either for the game in general and the grass roots clubs as they may receive inflated transfer fees to develop, but we all know about potential, the new zidane anybody?

Put it like this, if Rafa didn't sign Dossena and Degen and brought Insua (granted he did) and Darby through, we'd be up in a transfer fee and wages to use elsewhere in the squad. Then again the likes of Insua as a youngster might cost the same as Dossena as a seasoned pro under the new scheme.

We agreed to it, so I doubt its going to cause major heartache.