Tom Hicks Talks

[wildman]

Just cant believe that someone can believe a word hicks has to say. All we needed was a little investment in the summer and there was a very good chance we could be seeing number 19 come home.

whilst I have no time for the yanks they have bought Johnson & Aquailani apart from citeh & Madrid no ones really spent any money and thats exactly what there argument will be, imagine how utd must feel getting £80m for their best polayer and not being able to spend it coz myu guess is that money will virtually have gone to pay off some of the glazers debts whci are pretty huge

[Scratch]

If we were looking at the new rules surely we would have been looking for good players who would qualify now instead of waiting until next summer. As we'd be in a stronger negotiating position as we'd still have time to go elsewhere

Good players cost money, and one of the new regulations mentions that they will be looking at clubs who still owe money for players bought...it doesn't go into specifics tho, but i would assume that most deals are structured so that clubs owe money all round, and they would have to prove that they are not spending outside their means or similar?

[Craig_H]

What lies where they?

Erm....the whole claiming no debt on the club thing.

Have you been living in a cave mate?

[Craig_H]

They've taken a loan to buy the club, so it makes sense that the club's revenues are paying for it. Can't understand some of your logic.

They ****ing lied.

That's the logic you're seeking. But then, you think lying is ok and really the fault of the people who are lied to, rather than the liars themselves.

[mothman]

They ****ing lied.

That's the logic you're seeking. But then, you think lying is ok and really the fault of the people who are lied to, rather than the liars themselves.

Seriously - people lie every day. Maybe H&G lied deliberately - maybe not, but I am sure that Moore (and anyone else involved in this level of business) knew what they were going to do re debts.

Are you absoultely sure another buyer would be better?? - even someone like DIC assuming they came in and spent big $$ on players, they would not do this out of the goodness of their heart - it would be debt owed to them by the club, payable at sometime in the future. Abromovich is going to want his money at some point, even the City Arabs could possibly want their $$ back - and why not? At the end of the day these clubs are businesses - sematics aside.

Is the club moving forward or backwards? Because if it is moving forwards towards a better future that is all that is important - isn't it??

[Daniel mote]

whilst I have no time for the yanks they have bought Johnson & Aquailani apart from citeh & Madrid no ones really spent any money and thats exactly what there argument will be, imagine how utd must feel getting £80m for their best polayer and not being able to spend it coz myu guess is that money will virtually have gone to pay off some of the glazers debts whci are pretty huge

I dont care what is happening at any other club. Aquallani and johnson were bought with money the rafa generated from sales. We only needed the `final push` as we were so close last year.

[EwarWoo]

I dont care what is happening at any other club.

Good view to take, that way we win the league every season

[Craig_H]

Seriously - people lie every day. Maybe H&G lied deliberately - maybe not, but I am sure that Moore (and anyone else involved in this level of business) knew what they were going to do re debts.

Are you absoultely sure another buyer would be better?? - even someone like DIC assuming they came in and spent big $$ on players, they would not do this out of the goodness of their heart - it would be debt owed to them by the club, payable at sometime in the future. Abromovich is going to want his money at some point, even the City Arabs could possibly want their $$ back - and why not? At the end of the day these clubs are businesses - sematics aside.

Is the club moving forward or backwards? Because if it is moving forwards towards a better future that is all that is important - isn't it??

It simply boils down to whether you accept being lied to - i dont. If you do, fair enough.

Whether the club's moving backwards or forwards depends on how you look at it. We've got better players than before, but we're also not certain that we wont go into administration and we arent financially secure.

[Pacman]

whilst I have no time for the yanks they have bought Johnson & Aquailani apart from citeh & Madrid no ones really spent any money and thats exactly what there argument will be, imagine how utd must feel getting £80m for their best polayer and not being able to spend it coz myu guess is that money will virtually have gone to pay off some of the glazers debts whci are pretty huge

But that is not exactly true though is it.

We bought Johnson and Aquailani yes but with money owed for the Crouch deal and Aquailani over a number of years of installments with only a very small down payment (4 mil Euros if you believe the Roma website).

We also sold Alonso, Arbeloa, Leto, Hobbs, Anderson and Hamill. So yes we signed a couple of players but we more than covered their purchases by player sales. If you believe Fergie the reason they never spent their Ronaldo cash is basically because the market is crazy. The money is still there it's just they chose not to blow it and wait until the market calms down. Fergie said himself they were in for Benzema but Madrid payed over what they thought he was worth. So the money they got from Ronaldo hasn't been used to pay off their debt.

[Scratch]

but we're also not certain that we wont go into administration and we arent financially secure.

Where does this fear of administration come from? We are in a better situation financially than we were a year ago, and we weren't worried about it then.

Plus, although we owe more now than we did under Moores, we are also in a better position to pay it back.

People talk about "doing a Leeds" but we are not spending outside our means, and i don't believe our survival is CL tied, unlike some.

[Scratch]

If you believe Fergie...The money is still there it's just they chose not to blow it and wait until the market calms down.

Could the same not apply to us then?

[Pacman]

Could the same not apply to us then?

Maybe but at least it seems Fergie has made that choice and not had it made for him.

[Guest]

Maybe but at least it seems Fergie has made that choice and not had it made for him.

[Pacman]

“We asked about Benzema and we had a value for him. Lyon have done well because they got 42million Euros but I think we took a sensible view.”

In other words.

42 million Euros is to much but has it been 35 million Euros then deal on.

But I bet you'll have an answer for this hey???

[Roboklopp]

As well as leveraging, it is also possible to invest to accumilate. Commercial remodelling can be done regardless.