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    A different perspective...

    Ignoring our recent ****ty form, and also putting aside the whole ownership debate (if that's remotely possible), I think that I'm beginning to agree with Rafa's thought process in the whole Barry / Alonso / Aquilani / more attacking formation approach.

    We all know that in the summer of 2008 Rafa wanted shot of Alonso, and wanted Barry, but ended up with Keane instead. I think that his reasons at that point were exactly the same as his reason for letting Alonso go last summer, namely that he could see that the existing formation and approach simply weren't going to bring success in the league.

    If anything, Alonso's (and Liverpool's) great season last season confirmed that fact, because despite having our best season in 19 years, losing the least number of games of any team who didn't win the title, and coming within a few points of glory, the fact is that we still didn't win it. We rode our luck outrageously at times, and several players had outstanding seasons, Alonso in particular. We didn't lose a game against the rest of the Big 4, and beat Chelsea and United home and away. United were really poor at times, as were Chelsea, while Arsenal suffered some embarrassing defeats. And despite of all of those things, we still didn't win it.

    The fact is that with that squad, playing that style of football, we failed to win the title when the wind was very much behind us. You can argue that not having Torres for much of the season made the difference, but had Alonso played like he did in 07/08, Torres wouldn't have made the difference (as indeed he didn't in that season). We can't expect every player to be fit for every game, or every piece of luck to go our way, but last season came as close to that as it is ever likely to, and we still didn't win the title.

    So what to do? Rafa could have kept things as they were, making sure of a place in the top four but knowing that others would have to lose the title, as we didn't have the tools to win it. Or he could do what he's done, which is try, within a limited budget, to change certain personnel, and the style of play, to allow us to win more games, and to have a real chance of winning the title. I for one applaud the sentiment, even if the players have let him down so far.

    We have to accept that this is a transitional season to a degree, and one where if we qualify for the CL and have a good run in one of the cups I'll be content. Not happy, but content. Whoever the owners may be, January and next summer are critical in adding the right personnel to the squad to fit with Rafa's new approach. The fact that he's taken this route might be an indication that he thinks that he'll receive the backing from whoever to make it happen. I certainly hope so. But as far as the changes he has made go, while I might not like the current run of form, I think that they are totally necessary if we are to genuinely stand a chance of winning the title. Alonso was and is a great player, but he wasn't the right one to orchestrate bringing home number 19. I really hope that Aquilani, and whoever else we might add, are.

    #2
    Every season is a transition season. We have been in transition for 20 years

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      #3
      good attempt at being positive - haha but right now i reckon 9 out 10 liverpool fans are ****ing fed up
      i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do

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        #4
        Originally posted by PTP View Post
        good attempt at being positive - haha but right now i reckon 9 out 10 liverpool fans are ****ing fed up
        If we beat the Scum on Sunday it will be a totally different story - only 4 points off the lead...
        Thanks for the memories Rafa - YNWA!

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          #5
          Nice ideas but I cannot agree with you there. I have a lot of views on this but know that I will get shot to pieces here so I am keeping them to myself lol.

          Suffice to say I am not expecting too much this season, just praying we come out of it still in the top 4. And also praying we start getting some breaks because lady luck seems to have deserted us big time.
          "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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            #6
            Originally posted by -V- View Post
            Every season is a transition season. We have been in transition for 20 years
            I don't think last season was. We were a fully formed team - we just came up against a more experienced one in United.
            "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
            -- William Blake

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              #7
              Originally posted by Nick77 View Post
              If we beat the Scum on Sunday it will be a totally different story - only 4 points off the lead...
              aye - a win tomorrow against lyon, and win against the mancs will help get the season back on track! but at the moment i just don't see a performance in the squad! certainly not one that can beat man utd. Sad, depressing and negative I know, but's it's where i am this deary, drab, cold october monday afternoon a week before pay day!!!
              i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do

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                #8
                Originally posted by James P View Post
                Ignoring our recent ****ty form, and also putting aside the whole ownership debate (if that's remotely possible), I think that I'm beginning to agree with Rafa's thought process in the whole Barry / Alonso / Aquilani / more attacking formation approach.

                We all know that in the summer of 2008 Rafa wanted shot of Alonso, and wanted Barry, but ended up with Keane instead. I think that his reasons at that point were exactly the same as his reason for letting Alonso go last summer, namely that he could see that the existing formation and approach simply weren't going to bring success in the league.

                If anything, Alonso's (and Liverpool's) great season last season confirmed that fact, because despite having our best season in 19 years, losing the least number of games of any team who didn't win the title, and coming within a few points of glory, the fact is that we still didn't win it. We rode our luck outrageously at times, and several players had outstanding seasons, Alonso in particular. We didn't lose a game against the rest of the Big 4, and beat Chelsea and United home and away. United were really poor at times, as were Chelsea, while Arsenal suffered some embarrassing defeats. And despite of all of those things, we still didn't win it.

                The fact is that with that squad, playing that style of football, we failed to win the title when the wind was very much behind us. You can argue that not having Torres for much of the season made the difference, but had Alonso played like he did in 07/08, Torres wouldn't have made the difference (as indeed he didn't in that season). We can't expect every player to be fit for every game, or every piece of luck to go our way, but last season came as close to that as it is ever likely to, and we still didn't win the title.

                So what to do? Rafa could have kept things as they were, making sure of a place in the top four but knowing that others would have to lose the title, as we didn't have the tools to win it. Or he could do what he's done, which is try, within a limited budget, to change certain personnel, and the style of play, to allow us to win more games, and to have a real chance of winning the title. I for one applaud the sentiment, even if the players have let him down so far.


                We have to accept that this is a transitional season to a degree, and one where if we qualify for the CL and have a good run in one of the cups I'll be content. Not happy, but content. Whoever the owners may be, January and next summer are critical in adding the right personnel to the squad to fit with Rafa's new approach. The fact that he's taken this route might be an indication that he thinks that he'll receive the backing from whoever to make it happen. I certainly hope so. But as far as the changes he has made go, while I might not like the current run of form, I think that they are totally necessary if we are to genuinely stand a chance of winning the title. Alonso was and is a great player, but he wasn't the right one to orchestrate bringing home number 19. I really hope that Aquilani, and whoever else we might add, are.
                Good point.
                Shame he bought an injured player, and money was taken away from him too.
                Last edited by tomasjj; 19-10-09, 05:19 PM.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by dww View Post
                  I don't think last season was. We were a fully formed team - we just came up against a more experienced one in United.
                  A team which didn't have access to its prized striker for much of it.
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                    #10
                    This is how I see it

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by einar View Post
                      Good read, agree. Thanks for posting that
                      This city has two great football teams – Liverpool and Liverpool reserves

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by einar View Post
                        THAT is perspective...

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by -V- View Post
                          Every season is a transition season. We have been in transition for 20 years
                          absolutely that's why you can't turn it round in 5 minutes with no money BUT ask yourself, since Rafa came in have we improved year on year? The answer is "yes", maybe not at the start of this season but it's a long season yet.

                          Ask yourself, also who would come in and do a better job with no money?
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by einar View Post
                            Thats a right load of toss. Some valid points, but Rafa is not going to piss off because a tiny number of fans want Maureen and he "doesn't feel appreciated". The majority of us want Rafa to stay.

                            I do however put a lot of blame for our poor start on Rafa's shoulders, he is the manager after all. This is pretty much the same squad (other than a few exceptions) that almost won the league last season, so we should be doing better than we are. The Aquilani transfer was a huge gamble, but if we beat Utd on Sunday (and we bloody well could do) we're within touching distance and in a few weeks will have the young Italian lad in the squad. If Rafa was right and Aquilani is the real deal, we'll be in with a good shout for the title, but its very important that we lose no more ground on the leaders. With the African Nations Cup coming up and Chelsea's transfer ban, they'll drop some points in the new year and if Aqua hits the ground running, we'll have a new attacking dimension to our game, we'll be on the fookin rampage.

                            Aquilani could make our season.

                            "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

                            I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

                            FatTony 24/08/09

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by FatTony View Post
                              Thats a right load of toss. Some valid points, but Rafa is not going to piss off because a tiny number of fans want Maureen and he "doesn't feel appreciated". The majority of us want Rafa to stay.

                              I do however put a lot of blame for our poor start on Rafa's shoulders, he is the manager after all. This is pretty much the same squad (other than a few exceptions) that almost won the league last season, so we should be doing better than we are. The Aquilani transfer was a huge gamble, but if we beat Utd on Sunday (and we bloody well could do) we're within touching distance and in a few weeks will have the young Italian lad in the squad. If Rafa was right and Aquilani is the real deal, we'll be in with a good shout for the title, but its very important that we lose no more ground on the leaders. With the African Nations Cup coming up and Chelsea's transfer ban, they'll drop some points in the new year and if Aqua hits the ground running, we'll have a new attacking dimension to our game, we'll be on the fookin rampage.

                              Aquilani could make our season.
                              gollum baguette was on talksport again tonight saying that rafa turned down Madrid in the summer again and is very very happy here.....and Montse loves it here.... 'apparently' she said you can go and she would stay in liverpool

                              its clear to see that Rafa after getting everything he wants such as parry gone, control over yoof although he didnt get the cash he wanted will be here for a long time i think, i hope
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