When is a dive not a dive?

[slide]

Sorry if this has been broached in another thread, I couldn't be arsed to read the doom-mongery.

The defender did not touch the ball or Ngog.

The reason he did not touch Ngog is that Ngog took evasive action, i.e. jumped out of the way of an ill-timed challenge. (a trip, in fact)

If he had not jumped out of this ill-timed challenge, no-one would be disputing the decision to give a penalty.

Why shouldn't Ngog make it clear to the Ref that he had to take evasive action to avoid being tripped?

I don't believe contact has to be made for a foul to be committed. Below are the official fifa rules of the game regarding when a direct free kick (within the box a penalty are given) Attempted trips are punished with equal weight as successful trips....

Direct Free Kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent


Am I right or am I wrong?

[dom9]

Wrong I'm afraid. It was a blatent dive.

[Reece]

I get what you are saying, and certainly if he hadn't of evaded the tackle then yeah he would almost certainly have been tripped.

However, he still dived and I'd rather our players didn't do that. Gerrard had a good go at it too later on.

[dom9]

I get what you are saying, and certainly if he hadn't of evaded the tackle then yeah he would almost certainly have been tripped.

However, he still dived and I'd rather our players didn't do that. Gerrard had a good go at it too later on.

To be honest, he didn't even have to dive. If he continued running, he would have tripped over Carsley.

I hope he learns from it.

[Fubar]

so you would rather he leave his legs in and risk injury. yeah i can see why that makes sense. good thinking. why dont we have every player not get out of the way of tackles.

have you thought of management?

[dom9]

so you would rather he leave his legs in and risk injury. yeah i can see why that makes sense. good thinking. why dont we have every player not get out of the way of tackles.

have you thought of management?

Err, players do this all the time. Gerrard is an expert, for example.

[Tee]

When is a dive not a dive? Odd question.

I think any player that dives as blatantly as Ngog did last night should get an automatic ban. It was cheating because there was absoltely no contact - if Carsley had made contact and Ngog exaggerated it to get tyhe penalty than that is different in my book, but last night was embarrassing and it made me feel ashamed to see a Liverpool player cheat like that.

[slide]

Wrong I'm afraid. It was a blatent dive.

That's the point though isn't it?

It was a dive, but if he hadn't have dived then he would have been tripped, risking injury. Which would you prefer?

Should he have tried to disguise the fact that there was an attempted trip?

Why shouldn't he get a penalty for an attempted trip? it is in the laws of the game.

[dom9]

That's the point though isn't it?

It was a dive, but if he hadn't have dived then he would have been tripped, risking injury. Which would you prefer?

Should he have tried to disguise the fact that there was an attempted trip?

Why shouldn't he get a penalty for an attempted trip? it is in the laws of the game.

He should have stayed up and got tripped. To say he was risking injury otherwise is odd, because people get tripped all the time in football games. They are called fouls.

[slide]

He should have stayed up and got tripped. To say he was risking injury otherwise is odd, because people get tripped all the time in football games. They are called fouls.

Trips don't cause injuries?

[Tee]

He should have stayed up and got tripped. To say he was risking injury otherwise is odd, because people get tripped all the time in football games. They are called fouls.

Ridiculous argument the other way. Really clutching at straws.

It was an embarrassing moment and we should just move on.

[dom9]

Trips don't cause injuries?

They do sometimes. Most of the time they do not.

3 players went off injured last night. None were tripped.

[PTP]

do you know what, it was a blatant dive but **** it! i'm glad he did! it was a great run, a rash challenge by carsley and ngog got us the penalty to get us back in the game. Yes i hate cheating and hate diving and all the moral bollocks that come with it but right know i don't give a **** how we get anything just as long as we get something!

[slide]

Ridiculous argument the other way. Really clutching at straws.

It was an embarrassing moment and we should just move on.

To be honest, if it means getting back into this title race then I'm all for a bit of cheating now. All means necessary now I reckon... Care less about our image now than winning the title some time in the not too distant future.

Hasn't done scum or the chavski much harm in the past has it?

[slide]

They do sometimes. Most of the time they do not.

3 players went off injured last night. None were tripped.

Good job it wasn't 4 then, right??