When is a dive not a dive?

[Shanks]

He should have stayed up and got tripped.

and the ref may have booked him for diving, we don't know.

It's been done before were a genuine penalty claim has been turned down for a foul in the box.

[oldschool]

While I agree with what the OP is saying, it was an attempted tackle not a trip.

Having said that, it is BS that people are effectively saying that Carsley can take N'Gog off the ball by miss timing a tackle and not get punished.

[dom9]

Good job it wasn't 4 then, right??

[Le Chef]

Its a mans game FFS - Being tripped, tackled is(was) part of the game and with that you take knocks, bruises and injuries.

Like others on here and at the game, it was feckin embarrassing and I'd rather lose than resort to blatant cheating like Ngog did. When everyone used to chastise Ronaldo, Van Persie etc, etc, we shouldn't turn a blind eye to our own.

[dom9]

Its a mans game FFS - Being tripped, tackled is(was) part of the game and with that you take knocks, bruises and injuries.

Like others on here and at the game, it was feckin embarrassing and I'd rather lose than resort to blatant cheating like Ngog did. When everyone used to chastise Ronaldo, Van Persie etc, etc, we shouldn't turn a blind eye to our own.

[Chrono]

What a strange thread.

When did you ever see a player hurdle a challenge only for a penalty get given for the intent to trip on the part of the defender?

Ngog dived and there is no excusing it. If we had been on the receiving end of that there would not be a single person defending it.

[oldschool]

So Carsley not touching the ball and putting in a miss timed tackle doesn't come into it?

Fact:

N'Gog dived
Carsley didn't touch the ball
Carsley missed timed his tackle
Carsley took N'Gog off the ball

Sounds like a bunch of wrongs to get a right. Anyway it's about f'ing time we got one of these our way.

[slide]

What a strange thread.

When did you ever see a player hurdle a challenge only for a penalty get given for the intent to trip on the part of the defender?

Ngog dived and there is no excusing it. If we had been on the receiving end of that there would not be a single person defending it.

I just don't think it is as black and white as some people make it out to be that's all.

[hamshanks]

It was a dive, not nice, sorry about that but that's modern football

[Vermilion]

I just don't think it is as black and white as some people make it out to be that's all.

The only area that not clear, is, his intent, it was a dive absolutely no doubt, but did he do it with deceit in his mind or through instinct/reaction, that's the only area he can be defended in.

In a court of law you'd have a case to defend him.

see..case study/ .Gerrard versus Dj.

[Kenneth]

Players have a responsibility to try and keep going imo. There are times when refs give pens when a player is forced to avoid a tackle, remember gerrard getting an obvious one of these. However, This was a situation where the player was planning to go down, not planning to carry on but then forced to take evasive action.

[-V-]

Im glad he dived. They all do it and when times are desperate we should join them. We've had enough bad luck this season that I don't really care anymore what anybody thinks. Time to start being nasty to get out of this situation

[-V-]

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[hamshanks]

The only area that not clear, is, his intent, it was a dive absolutely no doubt, but did he do it with deceit in his mind or through instinct/reaction, that's the only area he can be defended in.

In a court of law you'd have a case to defend him.

see..case study/ .Gerrard versus Dj.

of course his intent was clear, he dived, take you red colour specs off mate. If it'd been the other way round you'd be furious.

[DannyMan2006]

do you know what, it was a blatant dive but **** it! i'm glad he did! it was a great run, a rash challenge by carsley and ngog got us the penalty to get us back in the game. Yes i hate cheating and hate diving and all the moral bollocks that come with it but right know i don't give a **** how we get anything just as long as we get something!

I'm afraid to say I agree. I'd rather it wasn't in the game but since it is I would encourage our players to make the most of ill timed challenges like the one by Carsley.

The only thing N'Gog is guilty of is that he made it look too blatant by not leaving a foot in, something most experienced players do. N'Gog cheated but even by leaving a foot in and getting took out he would still be cheating, it would just look better.