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    Aurelio and Johnson join the pilgrimage to 'placenta guru'

    Rafael Benitez has turned to the mystery horse placenta healer from Serbia to solve Liverpool's injury crisis it emerged last night, when Glen Johnson and Fabio Aurelio both flew into Belgrade to get treatment from the controversial Marijana Kovacevic.

    It was the latest twist in the extraordinary story of Kovacevic, the woman who was made famous this week when Arsenal's Robin van Persie announced his intention to visit her and undergo her unorthodox horse placenta treatment on his ruptured ankle ligaments. Now it seems that even the arch-rationalist Benitez has decided that she can help him solve his injury problems.

    Johnson and Aurelio are both doubtful for Saturday's key game against Manchester City, with the former having missed England's friendly against Brazil last weekend with calf and groin problems. Johnson and Aurelio were filmed by a Serbian television crew walking through Belgrade's Nikola Tesla Airport, but refused to speak to reporters. It was later confirmed to The Independent that both were on their way to see Kovacevic.

    Johnson has been carrying his injury since before the Champions League game against Lyons in France that Liverpool drew on 4 November. He played against Birmingham City five days later but was not fit enough to join up with England. Aurelio last played for Liverpool in the 2-0 win over Manchester United at Anfield on 25 October and his injury has left Benitez short of players on the left side.

    Kovacevic's approach to healing has generated such interest that now, it is understood, she is only responding to calls and text messages from trusted players. Working on a basis of recommendation, her reputation has gone sky-high to the extent that even the Liverpool manager, whose club doctor Mark Waller is well-respected and also works for the England Under-21s, has put his trust in her.

    Kovacevic is understood to charge as much as €3,000 (£2,650) for three days of treatment, which involves around six hours in all. She uses fluids derived from horse placentas and electrolysis to treat the afflicted part of the players who visit her. She is also understood to play up the "alternative" side of her work with, darkened rooms and lots of candles.

    Players from all over Europe have been visiting Kovacevic on the basis of recommendations from international team-mates but now even clubs are giving their blessing to players seeing her, although most retain a healthy scepticism about the intrinsic value of her work. Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun and Albert Riera have both been to see Kovacevic in the past few weeks, as well as three Manchester City players from overseas.

    Johnson is the first English player to be identified as a patient of Kovacevic. There is no indication as to whether the club have sent Steven Gerrard to see her, although he too has the kind of groin problem that is presumably Kovacevic's speciality. Gerrard was only an emergency substitute in the Birmingham City game and missed England's friendly. The Liverpool captain has said that he will be fit for the City game.

    The Serbia Football Federation has become so dubious about Kovacevic's methods and her influence over their top players that it has made discreet enquiries about bringing her in-house in an official capacity in order to keep an eye on her. So far Kovacevic has declined offers to work for any club or federation.

    Kovacevic has become so famous in Serbia she has even signed up with a London-based Fifa-licensed football agency which specialises in representing foreign footballers, especially those from eastern Europe, playing in England. Star Management has represented the likes of Robert Koren at West Bromwich Albion and Zoltan Gera at Fulham.

    As well as the problems suffered by Gerrard, Johnson and Aurelio, Benitez also has the ongoing worry over Fernando Torres' inguinal hernia that requires him to be carefully managed through matches. Alberto Aquilani is not completely fit after his recovery from a long-term back injury. There are lingering injury doubts over Riera and Martin Skrtel. Liverpool have won only once in their last nine games.

    Medical view: Placenta of attention

    First it was Arsenal's Robin van Persie, now half a dozen more Premier League stars are making the pilgrimage to Serbia for treatment with "placental fluid" from Marijana Kovacevic. And pilgrimage is what it is. Their trip represents the triumph of faith over reason, the power of belief over evidence.

    The placenta is the tissue that attaches the baby via the umbilical cord to the wall of the womb, and is delivered as the afterbirth. It does not contain fluid, but is surrounded by amniotic fluid in which the baby swims while in the womb. How rubbing this fluid, or any part of the placenta, on to an injured ankle could hasten its repair is anybody's guess. For the team doctors only one thing matters: that it does no harm. As it is unlikely to do anything, they will feel reassured.

    That rug really tied the room together.

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    wtf! the money could be spend well better than that - what a useless waste of time, energy, money and carbon!

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      #3
      Not sure if it says this in the article as I can't be arsed to read the whole thing, but this woman is apparently to be investigated by health officials.

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        #4
        Wouldn't surprise me if there's something like stem cells, unique proteins or other scientificaly quantifiable active ingredient.

        Similar to the Georgian Philes, which appear to have disappeared off the radar, any treatments which can not be patented get supressed.
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          Originally posted by BillobShaisley View Post
          Wouldn't surprise me if there's something like stem cells, unique proteins or other scientificaly quantifiable active ingredient.

          Similar to the Georgian Philes, which appear to have disappeared off the radar, any treatments which can not be patented get supressed.
          Or much much more likely it is a con. The whole concept completely goes against biology. Its new age crap.
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            #6
            Quite possibly, but personal reccomendations are interesting. You of course know the complete chemical, cellular and enzyme makeup etc of this fluid?
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              #7
              Originally posted by BillobShaisley View Post
              Quite possibly, but personal reccomendations are interesting. You of course know the complete chemical, cellular and enzyme makeup etc of this fluid?
              No personal recommendations on something like this are meaningless and lead people to rubbish like reiki and faith healers.

              Yes, its horse placenta.
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                Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                Or much much more likely it is a con. The whole concept completely goes against biology. Its new age crap.
                In what sense does it go against biology. It's not even as if details of the process are available as far as I can see.

                Scepticism is fine (and probably warranted in this case) but dismissing something when ignorant of what it is in detail seems foolhardy.

                For example placental cells were seen to help cure fractures in rabbit in this study - http://www.springerlink.com/content/ktr880g852581881/

                It seems likely that all that is really happening is that the player is receiving a standard massage based treatment however it is surely possible that a nutrient rich solution from something like placental blood could aim tissue regeneration?
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                  Originally posted by dww View Post
                  In what sense does it go against biology. It's not even as if details of the process are available as far as I can see.

                  Scepticism is fine (and probably warranted in this case) but dismissing something when ignorant of what it is in detail seems foolhardy.

                  For example placental cells were seen to help cure fractures in rabbit in this study - http://www.springerlink.com/content/ktr880g852581881/

                  It seems likely that all that is really happening is that the player is receiving a standard massage based treatment however it is surely possible that a nutrient rich solution from something like placental blood could aim tissue regeneration?
                  Ok, went a little over the top. But since the articles can't even agree on what she is using (this article says horse, mirror says human imported from Russia) the mirror article also says she injects it into them, which sounds very dodgy.


                  While it is like this I maintain more than just a little bit of scepticism, it sounds like an expensive con.
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                    Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                    Ok, went a little over the top. But since the articles can't even agree on what she is using (this article says horse, mirror says human imported from Russia) the mirror article also says she injects it into them, which sounds very dodgy.


                    While it is like this I maintain more than just a little bit of scepticism, it sounds like an expensive con.
                    Erm, but it works? Expensive yes, but if it works, then surely its not a 'con'
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                      Exactly. Horse placenta is used in the preparation of a fluid which is (depending on which source you read) either massaged and/or injected with or without electolysis and with or without other unknown elements of treatment.

                      A friend of mine got cured from lung cancer with a combination of faith healing and colour therapy! Colour ****ing therapy?!??!?! But it worked! So whatever the mechanism and whether it was direct or indirect, something about the event worked for him. I've been cured by homeopathic remedies for a couple of issues.

                      So we have some new treatment which may or may not work categorically but which several professional sports people seem to think has been beneficial. Certainly warrants a bit more open minded investigation before disdainful dismissal as there's at least concievable medical and chemical mechanisms whereby this may be a benefit, certainly more believable to a layman than homeopathy or colour therapy.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Fierce View Post
                        Erm, but it works? Expensive yes, but if it works, then surely its not a 'con'
                        Is there any evidence of it working?

                        Originally posted by BillobShaisley View Post
                        Exactly. Horse placenta is used in the preparation of a fluid which is (depending on which source you read) either massaged and/or injected with or without electolysis and with or without other unknown elements of treatment.

                        A friend of mine got cured from lung cancer with a combination of faith healing and colour therapy! Colour ****ing therapy?!??!?! But it worked! So whatever the mechanism and whether it was direct or indirect, something about the event worked for him. I've been cured by homeopathic remedies for a couple of issues.

                        So we have some new treatment which may or may not work categorically but which several professional sports people seem to think has been beneficial. Certainly warrants a bit more open minded investigation before disdainful dismissal as there's at least concievable medical and chemical mechanisms whereby this may be a benefit, certainly more believable to a layman than homeopathy or colour therapy.
                        Depending on the source you read it is either horse or human. The whole think smacks of a con

                        How do you know it was faith healing (which I will state now is a pile of ****e) and colour therapy (which is just a bit silly)?
                        If you were cured by homoeopathic remedies the word I'd look for is placebo.

                        Yes, but unicorns are more believable than colour therapy and homoeopathic treatment.
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                          Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                          Is there any evidence of it working?



                          Depending on the source you read it is either horse or human. The whole think smacks of a con

                          How do you know it was faith healing (which I will state now is a pile of ****e) and colour therapy (which is just a bit silly)?
                          If you were cured by homoeopathic remedies the word I'd look for is placebo.

                          Yes, but unicorns are more believable than colour therapy and homoeopathic treatment.
                          Well according to various media reports Van Persie is only expected to be out for six weeks after his visit to her after intially fearing a 3/4 month lay off.

                          And there were also reports that Yossi and Riera are both healing quicker than expected after their visit.
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                            Originally posted by The Erectile Banana View Post
                            Well according to various media reports Van Persie is only expected to be out for six weeks after his visit to her after intially fearing a 3/4 month lay off.

                            And there were also reports that Yossi and Riera are both healing quicker than expected after their visit.
                            That is rather weak to suggest anything though isn't it.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                              That is rather weak to suggest anything though isn't it.
                              Perhaps. It can be interpreted either way to suit your opinion. I agree that is not concrete but then you must ask yourself if it is merely coincidence?
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