Aurelio and Johnson join the pilgrimage to 'placenta guru'

[BillobShaisley]

Is there any evidence of it working?

Depending on the source you read it is either horse or human. The whole think smacks of a con

How do you know it was faith healing (which I will state now is a pile of ****e) and colour therapy (which is just a bit silly)?
If you were cured by homoeopathic remedies the word I'd look for is placebo.

Yes, but unicorns are more believable than colour therapy and homoeopathic treatment.

Absolutely nothing homoeopathic about me Mat, freudian?

Also, because two tabloids disagree, "it smacks of a con"? I just dont see any trail of logic in that conclusion. It demonstrates a biased (beyond natural cynicism) outlook and very unscientific approach to any investigation. If you consider all the mainstream science looking at foetal cells etc, it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that there may be some substance derived from placentas that aids tissue healing, i'm not saying this woman has stumbled on it, but to dismiss it out of hand despite some apparent circumstantial evidence is irrational.

What's the scientific explanation for a placebo? There isn't one, but its an accepted anomaly rather than a new one, so somehow 'placebo' is now science and unknown, untested fluid is mumbo-jumbo? Without investigating it's impossible to leap to either conclusion, but it would appear that several pro-sportsmen have had their prognosis significantly improved since undergoing this treatment. At the very least, i'd suggest it warrants further investigation into what possible mechanisms could be in effect and further controlled experiment.

Pretty sure i've posted my friends miraculous cancer recovery on here before, I have no idea how either therapy could work for any ailment, let alone terminal lung cancer, but it did, spectacularly! I know it was this rather than anything else because he'd finished having any other treatments and was in hospital waiting to die, after about 45minutes of this treatment he recovered instantly, sitting up and speaking etc and left hospital the following day. He died several years later from a heart attack.

Likewise, if I get ill i go to a doctor but having failed to get any cure from my GP i tried a little white homeopathic pill under my tongue and was cured within 10 minutes and never had a recurrence. This was from chronic abdominal pains over 2 or 3 years for which i'd had several scans and various doctors fingers rammed up my sphincter to investigate. The remedy was supposed to be to do with after effects from surgery (I had two operations before my 1st birthday). There is also an expanation for homeopathic remedies to do with water memory which is a bit hazy i'll agree but logical.

I'm not saying it isn't a con, but that your immediate un-informed dismissal is irrational, unscientific and therefore unjustified at this stage.

[kingfunk]

Placenta therapist who helped Robin van Persie and Glen Johnson could be shut down

Published 23:00 19/11/09 By John Cross [MirrorFootball]

Human placenta therapist Mariana Kovacevic could be put out of business - despite helping to cure a host of Premier League stars.

Mirror Sport can reveal Serbia’s Minister of Health, Tomica Milosavljevic, has ordered a full investigation into her clinic and whether she has got a medical licence.

Kovacevic’s offices in a Belgrade shopping centre have been visited by Arsenal striker Robin van Persie and Liverpool’s England full-back Glen Johnson this week.

She boasts her bizarre methods of injecting human placenta fluid into the injury speeds up recovery. The claim has sparked interest from all around the world.

But Serbia's health department now want to nvestigate what qualifications she has and working conditions at the clinic.

Two health department workers were sent to the office yesterday - and left without being able to gain entry. They are now trying to trace Kovacevic.

Locks were put on the office and it appears the clinic has been shut down until the investigation is complete. The department says there is a widespread problem of unlicensed therapists.

Arsenal striker Van Persie has claimed Kovacevic's methods have already helped him, while Johnson and Liverpool team-mate Fabio Aurelio are both expected to play this weekend.

It is believed human placentas are shipped in from Russia and fluid is then injected and rubbed into the injuries.

Holy **** man, that sounds a bit dodge, dont think id be letting her do that. Id put that in the same risk category as riding prostitutes bareback to cure herpes.

[Chris]

Benitez said: "We knew of other players at Premier League clubs who have been to Belgrade for treatment with this lady, and we were made aware that it was very effective. Zabaleta told Riera about it.

"She has been working for seven years with top-class sportsmen, not just footballers. So she has the experience.

"We felt it was a good opportunity to send some of our players. We sent two, Benayoun and Riera and they came back and started training straight away.

"So we decided to send two more, Johnson and Aurelio, and the same thing has happened. They have been training and all four will be in the squad against City.

"Arsenal's Robin van Persie went earlier, but now there are several more top players who are going to have treatment in the same way.

"City have sent two, (Vincent) Kompany and Zabaleta beforehand, and they were playing within days.

"There have been no injections, it is a placenta cream applied with a (massage) machine that creates waves of pressure."

He added: "Many top players have been going there for seven years, it has been successful and I believe it is safe.

"It is good for specific injuries, doctors have explained the treatment and the components of the cream that is used. We are happy with it.

"We checked it out when we became aware of the different players who had been there. I must admit we have been surprised with how well it has worked."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5707583,00.html

[Mattshark]

Absolutely nothing homoeopathic about me Mat, freudian?

Actually that is the correct spelling.

Also, because two tabloids disagree, "it smacks of a con"? I just dont see any trail of logic in that conclusion. It demonstrates a biased (beyond natural cynicism) outlook and very unscientific approach to any investigation. If you consider all the mainstream science looking at foetal cells etc, it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that there may be some substance derived from placentas that aids tissue healing, i'm not saying this woman has stumbled on it, but to dismiss it out of hand despite some apparent circumstantial evidence is irrational.

It sounds like a con because miracle treatments do.

What's the scientific explanation for a placebo? There isn't one, but its an accepted anomaly rather than a new one, so somehow 'placebo' is now science and unknown, untested fluid is mumbo-jumbo? Without investigating it's impossible to leap to either conclusion, but it would appear that several pro-sportsmen have had their prognosis significantly improved since undergoing this treatment. At the very least, i'd suggest it warrants further investigation into what possible mechanisms could be in effect and further controlled experiment.

Placebos are a mystery, but it a placebo effect cannot be used to suggest that a treatment is effective.

Pretty sure i've posted my friends miraculous cancer recovery on here before, I have no idea how either therapy could work for any ailment, let alone terminal lung cancer, but it did, spectacularly! I know it was this rather than anything else because he'd finished having any other treatments and was in hospital waiting to die, after about 45minutes of this treatment he recovered instantly, sitting up and speaking etc and left hospital the following day. He died several years later from a heart attack.

Doesn't mean the treatment had an effect.

Likewise, if I get ill i go to a doctor but having failed to get any cure from my GP i tried a little white homeopathic pill under my tongue and was cured within 10 minutes and never had a recurrence. This was from chronic abdominal pains over 2 or 3 years for which i'd had several scans and various doctors fingers rammed up my sphincter to investigate. The remedy was supposed to be to do with after effects from surgery (I had two operations before my 1st birthday). There is also an expanation for homeopathic remedies to do with water memory which is a bit hazy i'll agree but logical.

Homoeopathy is pure pseudo-science mate, it is complete con.

I'm not saying it isn't a con, but that your immediate un-informed dismissal is irrational, unscientific and therefore unjustified at this stage.

Over zealous maybe, still sounds like a con to me though.