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    #31
    Originally posted by Charly View Post
    Oh no, Ive found someone else that agrees with me on more than one topic...
    its proably a small club, I prefer "exclusive"

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      #32
      Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
      We didnn't need Aquilani we should have got Barry instead?
      YES!

      Gareth Barry is a brilliant player. ANd a good PL player. Aquilani could turn out to be a Veron. Garreth Barry was English, negating the need for an English right back, saving cash there.

      Gareth Barry is closer in style to ALonso, and will fit in far better tactically in comparison to last season, unless you are prepared to dislodge Gerrard.

      £5m for a striker is £5m more than we spent on Voronin. Personally I would have demanded Van Nsitelroy from Madrid as part of the Alonso deal (providing symmetry for Owen).

      I guess it depends how flexible Rafa is with his one up front formation.

      Also, Aquilani has spent most of his career injured, perhaps we got him cheap, I dunno. But his goal scoring record from midfield isnt great.
      Last edited by Charly; 22-11-09, 11:33 PM.
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        #33
        Originally posted by Nath View Post
        its proably a small club, I prefer "exclusive"
        One with naked women dancing on the tables...
        In the beginning, Fowler created the Heaven and the Earth.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Charly View Post
          One with naked women dancing on the tables...

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            #35
            Originally posted by Nath View Post
            Well, the back 4 is pretty much unchanged (other than Aurelio being injured so far).

            Anyway, I'm not saying its Johnsons fault, just that Arbeloa was a far superior defender which many people just don't seem to appreciate. Johnson is not £13m better.
            The defence is quite different. Last season our back four was:

            Arbeloa Carragher Agger Aurelio

            this season (it's mostly been)

            Johnson Carragher Skrtel Insua

            But injuries to Johnson and Skrtel have seen other players come in, Agger has missed most of this season. So theres alot of difference
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              #36
              Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
              The defence is quite different. Last season our back four was:

              Arbeloa Carragher Agger Aurelio

              this season (it's mostly been)

              Johnson Carragher Skrtel Insua

              But injuries to Johnson and Skrtel have seen other players come in, Agger has missed most of this season. So theres alot of difference
              Skrtel played a few more games than Agger last season, but yes fair enough.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Charly View Post
                YES!

                Gareth Barry is a brilliant player. ANd a good PL player. Aquilani could turn out to be a Veron. Garreth Barry was English, negating the need for an English right back, saving cash there.

                Gareth Barry is closer in style to ALonso, and will fit in far better tactically in comparison to last season, unless you are prepared to dislodge Gerrard.

                £5m for a striker is £5m more than we spent on Voronin. Personally I would have demanded Van Nsitelroy from Madrid as part of the Alonso deal (providing symmetry for Owen).

                I guess it depends how flexible Rafa is with his one up front formation.

                Also, Aquilani has spent most of his career injured, perhaps we got him cheap, I dunno. But his goal scoring record from midfield isnt great.
                Barry and Alonso are completely different types of player. Just because Barry plays in the Premiership it doesn't mean he would settle into our team.

                I don't think we bought Johnson because he was English we bought him because we needed a right back. I don't understand why so many people are saying we shouldn't have signed Johnson (or at least that we should have spent the money elsewhere) when he's probably been our best player so far this season, and the same people were complaining a while back about us not getting Alves
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Nath View Post
                  Skrtel played a few more games than Agger last season, but yes fair enough.

                  It's debatable as to who is the first choice centre back partner for Carragher, personally I would say Agger as he seems to play when fit, he was first choice for the majority of the second half of the season but is injured alot this season meaning Skrtel plays, again due to injuries.
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Imy View Post
                    The loss of Alonso and Hyypia has effected the team obviously due to their qualities on the pitch but a huge loss has been the loss of their characters from the dressing room, both were leaders both were winners, can we say the same about their replacements? Skrtel and Lucas have a lot of quality, but when the chips are down mentally they seem to crumble, Kuyt and Babel are not much better. Compare us to the Chavs who seem to ooze leaders from every corner and to my mind thats where a huge problem lies.


                    We lack players with the drive of Alonso and Sami, I think characters like that (and with their experience) are the difference between going behind and coming back to win (like we did alot last season) and struggling like we are at the moment.
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                      Barry and Alonso are completely different types of player. Just because Barry plays in the Premiership it doesn't mean he would settle into our team.
                      but he knows what the premiership is all about so there's more of a chance that he would've been a success with us than taking in a player with no EPL experience at all.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post

                        It's debatable as to who is the first choice centre back partner for Carragher, personally I would say Agger as he seems to play when fit, he was first choice for the majority of the second half of the season but is injured alot this season meaning Skrtel plays, again due to injuries.
                        and there in lies a problem, I don't think either knows where they stand in the pecking order and imo, these two positions should be very consistent.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Nath View Post
                          and there in lies a problem, I don't think either knows where they stand in the pecking order and imo, these two positions should be very consistent.
                          I would say it's Agger as he seems to play when he's fit, but he misses alot of games through injury hence the chopping and changing. I think the Carragher Agger partnership works the best of anything we have, but it keeps being split up for various reasons. What we need is consistency in our back line and our defensive record will improve!
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Nath View Post
                            but he knows what the premiership is all about so there's more of a chance that he would've been a success with us than taking in a player with no EPL experience at all.
                            Really that just means they can handle the physical nature of the game, it doesn't mean they'll do well in the system. The Keane transfer was an example of that
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                              Really that just means they can handle the physical nature of the game, it doesn't mean they'll do well in the system. The Keane transfer was an example of that
                              yes, but thats one less thing to worry about, many players have come here and not settled, with British players there's no worry about it.

                              I've no doubt that Barry would've settled in though.

                              With Keane, well, its hard to settle into a system from the bench, however £20m was madness.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Nath View Post
                                yes, but thats one less thing to worry about, many players have come here and not settled, with British players there's no worry about it.

                                I've no doubt that Barry would've settled in though.

                                With Keane, well, its hard to settle into a system from the bench, however £20m was madness.
                                I'm not so sure he would have provided what we need
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