We're Out - Whinge Here

[Chazza]

I find getting drunk helps, when that wears off I might fall into a deep depression

[-V-]

Absolutely ****ing ****e performance. We should have smashed that lot but we created **** all because Rafa couldn't make a few simple changes at the right moments. They should have drew level in the last minute with that chance and it would have been another embarrassing night.

When its plainly obvious that Kuyt is struggling and Lucas is offering no creativity whatsoever why not make some early changes? Bring on Benayoun and Aqualani and give us some spark.

So what does he do? He brings on Benni for our goalscorer after about 70 odd minutes and Aqualani on 90 minutes! He leaves our 2 most ineffective players on throughout and we struggle to a win. ****ing joke.

I don't care anymore. If he goes, I won't be bothered. Baffling baffling decision making

[TheElephantMan]

I don't care anymore. If he goes, I won't be bothered. Baffling baffling decision making

I don't want Rafa to leave, but I won't cry myself to sleep if he does. His decision making is baffling, he persists with absolute wank like Babel and plays two holding midfielders in games we need to win. He bought a £20m player during the summer and won't give him an opportunity to play.

[paulg]

I'm absolutely gutted, but it's not the crisis it's being made out to be.

[bradsdad]

rafa must have promised Aqualani champions league football if he signed for liverpool so he gave him 30 seconds...how come we all could see lucas and kuyt etc struggling and it was obvious to us to bring on yossi and Aqualani to create something but rafa cant see it and wont do it...i really hate myself for thinking this...but is it time for a change...i might feel better in a couple of days

[BFG]

Reading comments about how unacceptable it is for us not to get out of the group stages of the Champions League and Rafa must go etc etc just reinforces the point to me that we don't half have a lot of impatient, short sighted people following our club (the word support isn't appropriate here) that really don't understand the job Benitez has done for us.

The fact that we more or less now take for granted something that we were overjoyed to achieve under his immediate predecessors should say something about the progress we have made. We've probably played in the European Cup as many times since Rafa's been here than we did in the 15 years before he arrived.

We're all disappointed and it's a kick in the teeth but one bad season which has been blighted with injuries and a profit in the transfer market doesn't mean we should ditch the man that has made us a top 5 European club again. We expect more than this because of the taste of global success that we've had since 2004 but we'll still finish in the top four and the building process should go on. Getting rid of a very good manager part of the way through his work because of a really poor opening half to a season could have dreadful consequences for us for years to come IMO. He's a great manager and we simply have no other option but to keep him and get behind him and the lads at the moment.

It's either that or moan and cry and get behind Klinsmann or someone of that ilk because there's very little previous from the owners to suggest they'd deliver a Hiddink or Mourinho (spits) in the event of Rafa going.

[vonk]

Reading comments about how unacceptable it is for us not to get out of the group stages of the Champions League and Rafa must go etc etc just reinforces the point to me that we don't half have a lot of impatient, short sighted people following our club (the word support isn't appropriate here) that really don't understand the job Benitez has done for us.

The fact that we more or less now take for granted something that we were overjoyed to achieve under his immediate predecessors should say something about the progress we have made. We've probably played in the European Cup as many times since Rafa's been here than we did in the 15 years before he arrived.

We're all disappointed and it's a kick in the teeth but one bad season which has been blighted with injuries and a profit in the transfer market doesn't mean we should ditch the man that has made us a top 5 European club again. We expect more than this because of the taste of global success that we've had since 2004 but we'll still finish in the top four and the building process should go on. Getting rid of a very good manager part of the way through his work because of a really poor opening half to a season could have dreadful consequences for us for years to come IMO. He's a great manager and we simply have no other option but to keep him and get behind him and the lads at the moment.

It's either that or moan and cry and get behind Klinsmann or someone of that ilk because there's very little previous from the owners to suggest they'd deliver a Hiddink or Mourinho (spits) in the event of Rafa going.

If its all about the players we don't have through injury (excuse number one) or the players the owners haven't given us the money to sign (excuse number two) explain to me how the millions of talent that was on the pitch tonight, all but one a full international, played ****e against a team that's sixth in the Hungarian league. We were missing one player tonight...Torres. The rest wouldn't get a game anyway. Yet the tactics and the football are abysmal. I don't see how one or two 30m pounds players are going to change that.

People are saying we just need to get back to how we were playing at the end of last season.... but it must be plainly obvious now that those few months were the blip, and that this may not be a blip. We've gone backwards.

[paulg]

Not that I'm the type to have a go at fellow fans, I agree wholeheartedly with your post, BFG.

[BFG]

If its all about the players we don't have through injury (excuse number one) or the players the owners haven't given us the money to sign (excuse number two) explain to me how the millions of talent that was on the pitch tonight, all but one a full international, played ****e against a team that's sixth in the Hungarian league. We were missing one player tonight...Torres. The rest wouldn't get a game anyway. Yet the tactics and the football are abysmal. I don't see how one or two 30m pounds players are going to change that.

People are saying we just need to get back to how we were playing at the end of last season.... but it must be plainly obvious now that those few months were the blip, and that this may not be a blip. We've gone backwards.

We've been on a dreadful run, confidence is shot and were playing away in the Champions League. We won. You don't need excuses when you win and you don't have to play well. Hopefully it's the start of a turnaround and with all our players fit we're a match for anyone, unfortunately when you take 5 or 6 of our very best players out of the equation, we're a little light in back up.

If you don't see what affect a few £30million pound players would have on our squad then I'm a little flabbergasted to be honest, modern football is largely about who has the most money.

I will say one thing though, imagine bringing on Tevez instead of Voronin, Berbatov instead of Babel, imagine not having to buy Kyrgiakos. Imagine having money to spend in the transfer market and not just some of the money you recoup from selling other players. They're not excuses, they're genuinely the constraints that Rafa, and any manager that took his place would be working with. This season could and should have been better and everyone needs a kick up the arse but if you're totally unwilling to look at the circumstances that our manager has to work under then you're not really in a position to make an informed opinion on his performance.

[BFG]

Not that I'm the type to have a go at fellow fans, I agree wholeheartedly with your post, BFG.

I know having a go at other people is just as bad as the incessant moaning but it just shocks me every time there's a huge swing in opinion based on short term results. Even with this dog of a season we're having at the moment Rafa's record still stands up to scrutiny among the very best in the game IMO and things will get better.

[little dave hedgehog]

you guys should come to the non-whinging thread, or maybe the oceanographic one. it's a pretty kick ass thread.

[BFG]

you guys should come to the non-whinging thread, or maybe the oceanographic one. it's a pretty kick ass thread.

There's some serious shark action going on over there.

[little dave hedgehog]

i realized tonight, that i have been waiting all my life for that thread.

[BFG]

i realized tonight, that i have been waiting all my life for that thread.

[little dave hedgehog]

see, it's not all doom and gloom
we still have our team, and we always will. they won't always win, though.