SOS: Fiorentina - Protest

[Jayesh87]

Which forums are pro-SOS? Teamtalk?

TLW, RAWK, TIA- all the major lfc sites

[BrianF80]

You're talking about dougie do'ins I assume, that's not what he posted on TLW. If I remember rightly he wanted the likes of Kenny to do something to get the message out about the current vampires we have as owners.

I remember better than you and my representation is more accurate. Taking the Lord's name in vain is a sin. End Of.

[calvoboy]

Not true.

I didnt agree with things SOS have done in the past, dont I dont see anyone else doing anything. If someone comes up with a better idea/organisation then I will support that.

Is true

If not, name one. And I mean one that has actually made a serious bid for the club. (I'll happily amend DIC to include Shiek Mo if that's what you are referring to - I just meant that the only serious bidders are from Dubai, and they aren't going to be buying any time soon).

And I'm afraid I just don't buy the "at least they're doing something" argument. If your right leg was aching, and I suggested amputating it, would you support that because "at least it's doing something, and not just sitting there"?

I just think the current actions of SoS could be counter-productive, and that they don't maintain adherence to a clear set of realistic aims and objectives. It's a shame, because the idea of a football supporters union is one that I would support wholeheartedly - a forum for representing the views of supporters to the owners and directors, and working with the club to tackle issues affecting supporters. The aims and objectives stated on their home page are admirable. Campaigning to bring down the ownership of the club without thinking about who would be able or willing to replace them though - that's just ridiculous. What proper union campaigns against the owners of the company that their members work for? A sensible supporters union would seek to open a regular dialogue with the owners about the problems facing the club and the concerns of supporters - not just campaign for their removal at all costs. In this respect, SoS act like a militant fringe organisation rather than the mainstream representatives of supporter opinion that they claim to aspire to.

[BillobShaisley]

I'd prefer to leave the cowboys in charge than let SOS have any influence at all!

[Rich]

No one has come up with a viable alternative to the two owners we have now. I believe one of the aims of SOS is to get rid of G&H, fair enough, but where are the buyers?!

So to my mind its lots of protesting and no end product. Perhaps SOS should be concentrating on finding "their" knight in shining armour to come to the club?!

[Vermilion]

No one has come up with a viable alternative to the two owners we have now. I believe one of the aims of SOS is to get rid of G&H, fair enough, but where are the buyers?!

So to my mind its lots of protesting and no end product. Perhaps SOS should be concentrating on finding "their" knight in shining armour to come to the club?!

That could just be because of the price H&G insist on asking for the club, i think.

Our owners value lfc as a going concern with a new staduim at the heart of future profit predictions, whereas any buyer just want's to pay for where we're at now, not where we could be if all go's well.

So if nobody pays their price, they stay, they won't lose money so nothing to fear for them really, either they sell for a huge profit in the near future, or somehow eventually build the stadium and then sell for big bucks, or they just sell in the future without building a stadium for market price having lost nothing on the deal, probably making a few quid at worst.

Or, we stay in the H&G families ownership for ever.

[Liverpool]

Is true

If not, name one. And I mean one that has actually made a serious bid for the club. (I'll happily amend DIC to include Shiek Mo if that's what you are referring to - I just meant that the only serious bidders are from Dubai, and they aren't going to be buying any time soon).

And I'm afraid I just don't buy the "at least they're doing something" argument. If your right leg was aching, and I suggested amputating it, would you support that because "at least it's doing something, and not just sitting there"?

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There was another group who made several proposals at the beginning of the year.

[wildman]

No one has come up with a viable alternative to the two owners we have now. I believe one of the aims of SOS is to get rid of G&H, fair enough, but where are the buyers?!

So to my mind its lots of protesting and no end product. Perhaps SOS should be concentrating on finding "their" knight in shining armour to come to the club?!

there is interest its just that those pair of *******s want too much money for the club and no one wnats to pay, as soon as they are realistic and come down then they'll be plenty of interest

[Jayesh87]

Are you SOS?

No, but the bits i have highlighted in bold seem to reference to me...

Sorry - I see you post on a lot of threads I wouldn't look at.

But weren't you people advocating that the yanks should sell up to DIC?

I can see you've been around these boards for a while - I respect you for that, but you've obviously changed you user name - why?

Anyway who cares. No-one likes your wiser than though pithy attitude anymore. You don't represent us. And you don't know better - sorry but the only direct contact with the club I have seen from SOS demonstrate an embarassing inability to understand finance.

[Rich]

Admittedly this is ultra simplistic, however Turnover *5 is sometimes used as a measure of a company's price.

LFC: £161.8m

Therefore by that simple metric the club is valued at £809m.

Now take that debt level of £350m and you're not a million miles away from £500m, which is the alleged asking price.

[7dalglish]

see that line there i put in bold is the big issue!

i know they say they don't represent all fans - but i think the problem is that they come across as 'the liverpool supporters unions' and as result, anything that SOS do or say, gets labelled as all liverpool supporters. ie - i would argue that i don't agree with them nor am i supporter of them and then the counter arguement will be "thats fine but they don't represent all liverpool fans" - but i still get plenty of mates be it blue noses/mancs/any other club -collegues, lads from footie, uni friends etc etc etc - saying - "I see you lot are protesting again" etc etc when it's not - it's just a small minority

It's all very well saying - they don't claim to represent all liverpool fans - but they certainly get recognised for it. Now i understand thats not their fault as such. - but one could argue, me and a load of mates are liverpool fans and we have a group just for us called LFC LA's, are going to manchester for a night out on saturday, we are going to wear our liverpool shirts and sing about munich............ we can do it though, because we don't represent all liverpool fans - only ourselves. - Now what do you reckon the respones would be from the mancs, the media, general public - etc - they would instantly label liverpool fans as scum - despite the fact we admit to not representing all liverpool fans - even our own fans and club would disown us, but that doesn't matter, the damage has been done

my point might be a bit extreme like

Yeah that scenario is very extreme. The only reason they are known as THE Liverpool supporters' union is because there is no other, if I felt so strongly about their actions and how they affect the perception of me to others as a supporter I'd start my own union. The ball is in your court I think.

I'm not a member of SOS for a number of reasons but reading this site has compelled me to respond to what seems to be an instant dislike for SOS and everything they have done to date, maybe some of it comes from the RTK element although again they had the right intentions but came across extremely poorly. I do think SOS are learning from that though and are very open about what they are doing and why.

[7dalglish]

I remember better than you and my representation is more accurate. Taking the Lord's name in vain is a sin. End Of.

Really? If it's the thread I'm thinking of I was one of the ones who was questioning what he was saying under the name 'stumptown'. I'm questioning how you have described what was said because I feel you have twisted it. Anyway it doesn't matter, I can see you're the type that will use anything to make your opinion seem like the right one so I'll leave you well alone.

[7dalglish]

So he wants Kenny to publicly slag off his own bosses?

You could put it that way and I was against what he was saying, I think I said something like Kenny would maybe have more influence from the inside rather than alienating himself from them.

I responded because of the original posters comments were way over the top and were incorrect, not that I agreed with what the lad actually said.

[Guest]

You could put it that way and I was against what he was saying, I think I said something like Kenny would maybe have more influence from the inside rather than alienating himself from them.

I responded because of the original posters comments were way over the top and were incorrect, not that I agreed with what the lad actually said.

But Dalglish is no messiah, influential or not.

[redstaralex]

there is interest its just that those pair of *******s want too much money for the club and no one wnats to pay, as soon as they are realistic and come down then they'll be plenty of interest

but no-one actually knows the asking price so I'm not sure we can pin any blame on that

all we're going on is the press reported amounts and let's be honest the press mostly make stuff up so why not this?