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    Real Liverpool Fans?

    saw this on a blog on the mirror website and thought it was an interesting point of view.


    Anyone who has walked down Bold Street in the heart of Liverpool city centre will have noticed a large poster adorning the outer wall of the Burger King restaurant on the corner proclaiming 'the home of the Whopper'. Seasoned Liverpool supporters would argue that the sign would be more fitting if plastered across the exterior of Anfield.

    With the Reds' failure to carry on where they finished last season, the club had to resort to marketing techniques frequently used by local rivals Everton by having to sell tickets for the match against Wigan over the counter at their official club store in the bustling Liverpool One shopping centre.

    Given that this was the game where the club marked the 50th anniversary of Bill Shankly's arrival at the club, one would expect this to be a sell-out. Only 41,116 supporters, 800 of whom were travelling Latics fans, watched Rafael Benitez's side run out 2-1 winners in a nervy finish.

    The reason for the reduced capacity crowd and the over-the-counter sales was because the people who normally occupy those additional few thousand seats don't care about Bill Shankly, or what he did for Liverpool.

    Furthermore, they aren't going to travel to Merseyside on a cold Wednesday night in December for all the hot dogs in Anfield unless Manchester United or Chelsea are playing at L4. This is because Liverpool Football Club has become a victim of its own success - and success, like the Pied Piper of Hamelin, attracts more than its fair share of rats.

    Many a glory-hunting rodent has strode up Walton Breck Road over the past five years as the club marched on to European finals and nerve-wracking title races but as soon as success dries up, they will spearhead the mass exodus out from Anfield. It happened in the latter days of Gerard Houllier’s reign and, given current events, it will happen during Benitez’s time.

    They will crawl back to their familiar rocks of Stamford Bridge and Old Trafford once the good times stop rolling. However, they will be back, and in greater numbers once success returns, but real Liverpool supporters, regardless of their personal views on Benitez, will back the manager of the club to the hilt until he resigns or is sacked by a higher power.

    It is not in their nature to pander to national radio hosts’ demands by calling for the manager to be sacked and replaced by Jose Mourinho, turning a very blind eye to the Reds’ financial plight and the small matter of Benitez’s £20million pay-off should he be dismissed before his contract expires.

    Nor is it in their nature to call for the manager’s head on the Kop following a frustrating draw, dressed head-to-toe in a jester hat, a Superman cape and home shirt with ‘comical’ slogans on the back; El Sexy 69 and Crouchenko to name but two.

    However, those who maintain that Benitez should be supported, even if he is making an absolute pig’s ear of the season due to stretched resources, are accused of being personal apologists for the Spaniard; further evidence, were it needed, that the modern football supporter has lost his way.

    As Liverpool prepare for a strong winter of discontent, a banner which proclaimed: "it's easy to support a team when in glory, but to support a team when in struggle…shows your character" could not be more apt for those who will continue to support their football club through thick and thin.
    in january we were doomed.

    in august we will rise from the ashes of ****e and march on again

    #2
    41,000 tickets sold.....and we want a bigger stadium?

    "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

    I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

    FatTony 24/08/09

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      #3
      Lots in there to spark a debate I reckon!

      Firstly, fans who call for a manager's head are no less than fans who support a manager. Both standpoints are valid to the fan, who in his own mind wants the club to success. As for glory hunters, what a load of twaddle. 5 and 6 year old kids follow the successful sides and swap allegiance, adults don't and never have. Seeing that it's the adults that introduce their kids to football, most OOT Reds kids will be the offspring of Reds adults and will support them regardless of success. My son, who's 18, has been a fan since he was 3 and has never known league success. He's not likely to start following Chelsea and is as committed to his team as anyone else I know.

      Regarding Rafa's £20m payoff, that's why he's still here If he was only due £2m he'd already be gone, but it's served to benefit both club and manager until now. His high wages have kept him from the lure of Madrid but higher wages create a high payoff. Ergo, the £20m is our fault and so maybe it's our owners who are reluctant to exercise the clause. For all we know Rafa could be just as eager to go.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Norbert Dentressangle View Post
        Lots in there to spark a debate I reckon!

        Firstly, fans who call for a manager's head are no less than fans who support a manager. Both standpoints are valid to the fan, who in his own mind wants the club to success. As for glory hunters, what a load of twaddle. 5 and 6 year old kids follow the successful sides and swap allegiance, adults don't and never have. Seeing that it's the adults that introduce their kids to football, most OOT Reds kids will be the offspring of Reds adults and will support them regardless of success. My son, who's 18, has been a fan since he was 3 and has never known league success. He's not likely to start following Chelsea and is as committed to his team as anyone else I know.

        Regarding Rafa's £20m payoff, that's why he's still here If he was only due £2m he'd already be gone, but it's served to benefit both club and manager until now. His high wages have kept him from the lure of Madrid but higher wages create a high payoff. Ergo, the £20m is our fault and so maybe it's our owners who are reluctant to exercise the clause. For all we know Rafa could be just as eager to go.
        Exactly, thats one of the reasons why managers negotiate for long deals in the first place. It gives them a fair crack of it, but if it all goes tits up then they're quids in as well. Win win.

        "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

        I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

        FatTony 24/08/09

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          #5
          Aaaarrggghhh!!! Rafa would NOT receive £20m if he got sacked! Only if he remained out of work for four and a half years would he receive the bulk of £20m. Clearly that's not gonna happen. He'd get about £2m if we sacked him.
          Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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            #6
            The £20m figure is often quoted because that's what Rafa's contract is worth over 5 years, i.e. £4m a year until July 1st 2014. Therefore if we sacked him and he didn't get another job for the remainder of that term we would have to continue paying him.

            He is already 6 months into his new contract so that's £2m less to pay already. If we sacked him on January 1st and he didn't get another job for the rest of the season there's another £2m we'd have to pay him. When he gets a new job (and he will because he's a workaholic with a lot of pride) the compensation would be based on his new contract, e.g. he goes to work for a Spanish club for £2m a year on a 4 year contract from July 1st 2010: we would have to pay him the balance of his Liverpool contract (£16m) less the value of his new one (£8m in this example) over the remainder of the four years (£2m a year).
            Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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              #7
              Originally posted by Fubar View Post
              saw this on a blog on the mirror website and thought it was an interesting point of view.


              Anyone who has walked down Bold Street in the heart of Liverpool city centre will have noticed a large poster adorning the outer wall of the Burger King restaurant on the corner proclaiming 'the home of the Whopper'. Seasoned Liverpool supporters would argue that the sign would be more fitting if plastered across the exterior of Anfield.

              With the Reds' failure to carry on where they finished last season, the club had to resort to marketing techniques frequently used by local rivals Everton by having to sell tickets for the match against Wigan over the counter at their official club store in the bustling Liverpool One shopping centre.

              Given that this was the game where the club marked the 50th anniversary of Bill Shankly's arrival at the club, one would expect this to be a sell-out. Only 41,116 supporters, 800 of whom were travelling Latics fans, watched Rafael Benitez's side run out 2-1 winners in a nervy finish.

              The reason for the reduced capacity crowd and the over-the-counter sales was because the people who normally occupy those additional few thousand seats don't care about Bill Shankly, or what he did for Liverpool.

              Furthermore, they aren't going to travel to Merseyside on a cold Wednesday night in December for all the hot dogs in Anfield unless Manchester United or Chelsea are playing at L4. This is because Liverpool Football Club has become a victim of its own success - and success, like the Pied Piper of Hamelin, attracts more than its fair share of rats.
              Many a glory-hunting rodent has strode up Walton Breck Road over the past five years as the club marched on to European finals and nerve-wracking title races but as soon as success dries up, they will spearhead the mass exodus out from Anfield. It happened in the latter days of Gerard Houllier’s reign and, given current events, it will happen during Benitez’s time.

              They will crawl back to their familiar rocks of Stamford Bridge and Old Trafford once the good times stop rolling. However, they will be back, and in greater numbers once success returns, but real Liverpool supporters, regardless of their personal views on Benitez, will back the manager of the club to the hilt until he resigns or is sacked by a higher power.

              It is not in their nature to pander to national radio hosts’ demands by calling for the manager to be sacked and replaced by Jose Mourinho, turning a very blind eye to the Reds’ financial plight and the small matter of Benitez’s £20million pay-off should he be dismissed before his contract expires.

              Nor is it in their nature to call for the manager’s head on the Kop following a frustrating draw, dressed head-to-toe in a jester hat, a Superman cape and home shirt with ‘comical’ slogans on the back; El Sexy 69 and Crouchenko to name but two.

              However, those who maintain that Benitez should be supported, even if he is making an absolute pig’s ear of the season due to stretched resources, are accused of being personal apologists for the Spaniard; further evidence, were it needed, that the modern football supporter has lost his way.

              As Liverpool prepare for a strong winter of discontent, a banner which proclaimed: "it's easy to support a team when in glory, but to support a team when in struggle…shows your character" could not be more apt for those who will continue to support their football club through thick and thin.

              Personally that bit is complete bollocks, those type of games are exactly the ones I make a 400 mile round trip to because they are the only ones I can get a sniff of tickets for usually.
              The only games I've ever been able to attend home or away have been mid week, partly because I'm contracted to play at a decent standard on a Saturday and can't just toss it off but mainly because tickets are impossible to get.

              Different day slightly different angle to have a go at us about
              The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

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                #8
                Is that official or is it just something someone in Tinternet land said?

                "If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."

                I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."

                FatTony 24/08/09

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                  #9
                  It's a fact, that's just how it works. Mark Hughes is in the same boat...

                  http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...-city-betrayed

                  Hughes had 18 months left on his contract and will receive a maximum pay-out of £3m following his departure from City, but the final figure he receives will depend on how quickly he finds a new job
                  Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                    #10
                    In fact that article also claims City sounded out Rafa!
                    Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by FatTony View Post
                      41,000 tickets sold.....and we want a bigger stadium?
                      You're not this stupid surely?

                      Of course we need a new stadium, we are absolutely desperate for it. And Wigan at home on a week night near xmas is obviously going to be one of the lower attendances.

                      And by the way, we dont count our attendances as tickets sold, we do people through the door so will technically never have a sell out. Whereas Arsenal seem to just announce 60k everytime despite looking like there was at least 10k empty seats against Hull on the weekend.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Chris View Post
                        Whereas Arsenal seem to just announce 60k everytime despite looking like there was at least 10k empty seats against Hull on the weekend.
                        Wondered about that myself before. Always pretty much bang on 60,000 and often lots of empty seats.
                        Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                          #13
                          a bloke i work with is a steward at old toilet. he says that they count all the corporate seats etc as attending every game.

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                            #14
                            Its a bit harsh to lay into OOT's for not turning up against wigan on a cold december midweek game. A lot of the fans travel a long way to a match and have work the next morning you know. There's the now ridiculous petrol costs, frosty roads and high ticket prices to contend with along with having to bomb it back home to get some sleep before work.

                            Costs me £80 petrol alone Glasgow to Liverpool and back and I do work thursdays. I'll be there Saturday for the wolves game, not because its just more convenient but because at times like these not everyone can afford to travel down to a game every week.

                            But hey lets not let common sense get in the way of bashing out of towners

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by -V- View Post

                              Costs me £80 petrol alone Glasgow to Liverpool and back and I do work thursdays. I'll be there Saturday for the wolves game, not because its just more convenient but because at times like these not everyone can afford to travel down to a game every week.
                              spawny cunt. £80 would barely get me half way back up.
                              People who think there's no good way to die have obviously never heard the phrase 'Drug-fuelled-sex-heart-attack'.

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