"Overachieve"

[Red Chilli]

No not this thread.

In the league. What does overachieving in the premiership actually mean. How is it possible that over 38 games and 9 months (ish) a team/squad can overachieve.
I've always been of the mindset that the league is the barometer of a team's quality. I've never accepted that a team can overachieve over the course of 9 months, 38 games. Where you finish in the league is representative of the quality of your team.

We hear it bandied about a lot "Rafa overachieved", rarely do we hear the "players overachieved" but I'll take it that it's meant the same way.

So is it possible for a team to overachieve for a whole season. IMO it's not and you don't get 86 points unless your team is capable of getting 86 points

[-V-]

If Aston Villa win the league this season then thats overachieving

[Tee]

Clearly exceeding what is reasonably expected is how I would measure overachievement.

[Red Chilli]

If Aston Villa win the league this season then thats overachieving

Is it though?

Is it not more a reflection that other teams have underachieved and not attained the same number of points that Villa did?

[Red Chilli]

Clearly exceeding what is reasonably expected is how I would measure overachievement.

"Reasonably expected" or "capable of" ?

[kev776]

If Aston Villa win the league this season then thats overachieving

Sorry V but if Villa win the league that is because others have under achieved.

[Tee]

"Reasonably expected" or "capable of" ?

I would obviously link one with the other - so for me we are clearly capable of winning this league going by last season. So I would reasonably expect us to at least challenge.

[FatTony]

Is it not more a reflection that other teams have underachieved and not attained the same number of points that Villa did?

we could go around and around in circles discussing this point, but the teams with the most costly squad of players are normally fighting for the title, so you should sit where your squad sits in relation to current value. Over the last few seasons, to achieve, we would've finished 3rd, overachived for 2nd and 1st.

[Red Chilli]

I would obviously link one with the other - so for me we are clearly capable of winning this league going by last season. So I would reasonably expect us to at least challenge.

OK, so if we're capable of doing it, and do it, then have we overachieved or reached our potential?

[Red Chilli]

we could go around and around in circles discussing this point, but the teams with the most costly squad of players are normally fighting for the title, so you should sit where your squad sits in relation to current value.

Well how do you measure squad value?

[-V-]

Say aston villa win the league with one of the smallest squads in the league through their players pushing themselves to the absolute limit for 38 games. After 38 games their squad may hit the wall and be incapable of physically or mentally pushing themselves any further whereas other teams with bigger squads could probably carry on playing. For me thats overachieving.

Last season Villa started the season before everyone else due to the qualifiers for the europa league and for the first 6 months they were very good but then tailed off due to fatigue.

Weird example I know but over the course of time a team can overachieve because they are perceived to be inferior due to lesser quality of their squad

[Red Chilli]

Say aston villa win the league with one of the smallest squads in the league through their players pushing themselves to the absolute limit for 38 games. After 38 games their squad may hit the wall and be incapable of physically or mentally pushing themselves any further whereas other teams with bigger squads could probably carry on playing. For me thats overachieving.

Last season Villa started the season before everyone else due to the qualifiers for the europa league and for the first 6 months they were very good but then tailed off due to fatigue.

Weird example I know but over the course of time a team can overachieve because they are perceived to be inferior due to lesser quality of their squad

For me that's reaching their potential

[FatTony]

Well how do you measure squad value?

this could be a long thread

[Tee]

OK, so if we're capable of doing it, and do it, then have we overachieved or reached our potential?

[Red Chilli]

this could be a long thread

It's difficult though isn't it? You can't really do it. We have Gerrard who costs nothing, but how much would he be worth. You can't use trasfer fees either because you're not telling me Berbatov is worth 10 million more than torres and more than Drogba.