Spurs post match celebrations

[BG1973]

Great result. Really great result. Well played lads. Steven Gerrard take note.

Only thing that bothers me is that everything went to plan (sorry that sounds stupid). i.e we scored early and built on that - they had a (potentially valid) goal disallowed etc etc..

My point is we can play well when we're confident, when we score early. I want to see us win matches by playing well throughout despite not scoring an early goal. I want to see the confidence remaining and heads not dropping and play becoming flat like it tends to without an early goal.

I guess the only way for that to happen is more wins. Just very aware that we are a bit dependent on the rub of the green. If it goes against us we don't appear to have the mental strength to overcome it.

Sorry, should be super positive after that result and believe me I am very happy but this was one of my immediate reactions after the match.

[Reece]

What made me laugh, is that all we heard before the game by the "pundits", is what beautiful football Spurs play, and how they play a similar style to Arsenal blah blah blah. Their game plan was just to lump it up to Crouch the whole ****ing game!

[Angry Dan]

He looked good when not in the final third but he is a fullback who hasn't played much football for two years so I think he deserves a little bit of leeway.

I can see why he has been injured for so long, I lost count of the number of times he was taken out. I thought he looked quite promising for the future.

[Exiled_red]

Wasn't the Defoe 'goal' quite clearly offside and also a foul on Pepe?

Defoe was clearly offside, surely he is interfering with play by pressing Kyriakos.

Andy Gray made the case that once Kyriakos touched the ball it was a different phase of play, but I thought that it was only a different phase of play if another Spurs player had touched it?

[Exiled_red]

What made me laugh, is that all we heard before the game by the "pundits", is what beautiful football Spurs play, and how they play a similar style to Arsenal blah blah blah. Their game plan was just to lump it up to Crouch the whole ****ing game!

They played more long balls than we did, despite sky basically calling us a long ball side and implying Spurs play amazing football. What's more they kept implying it throughout the match

[razortoddy]

Some v.good performances from the team but no-one seems to have mentioned Carra's role as captain. Team huddle to start of with, a no-nonsense battle cry, followed by some tackles that immediately showed intent and determination. He should be club captain. SG by comparison offers little encouragement and often seems exasperated by mistakes by team-mates and particularly doesn't help the youngsters and newcomers on the pitch. JC is a top man.

[SK]

Defoe was clearly offside, surely he is interfering with play by pressing Kyriakos.

Andy Gray made the case that once Kyriakos touched the ball it was a different phase of play, but I thought that it was only a different phase of play if another Spurs player had touched it?

it was an offside, he should have let the play run on, but he turned around and ran for the ball, in that case he wasn't in a passive offside position, but was interfering with the play. right decision by the linesman imo.

[Scratch]

Defoe was clearly offside, surely he is interfering with play by pressing Kyriakos.

Andy Gray made the case that once Kyriakos touched the ball it was a different phase of play, but I thought that it was only a different phase of play if another Spurs player had touched it?

The assistant referee in soccer has to judge whether an offside offence has occurred at a certain point in time. He does this by assessing offside positions/ offences in terms of a particular phase of play. A simple touch or redirection of the ball can significantly affect whether an attacker is in an offside position or not by creating a new "phase of play."


The offside definition helps to define a specific phase of play that leads to the offside offence. The assistant referee must make a judgement at the specific moment that the attacker's teammate plays or touches the ball. When a "phase of play" begins is easy to determine, since the offside definition assumes that the attacker in the offside position plays or touches the ball from a play or touch by his teammate. However, it is sometimes difficult to decide when a phase of play ends.


* Deflections

In some cases, deflections can create a new phase of play. However, when the deflection is from a defender- right after the attacker's teammate plays or touches the ball- this is considered part of the same phase of play. This is because the assistant referee (AR) can adjudge the attacker, in the offside position, to have committed an offence by gaining an advantage from being in that position.

If the attacker's teammate plays or touches the ball and it deflects off another teammate, a new phase is created. The AR must judge any subsequent pass to another attacker from the point of the deflection from the last attacker. This suggests that if the attacker was in an offside position from the initial play, but is in an onside position at the point of the deflection by the teammate (whether accidental or deliberate), the attacker does not commit an offside offence.


* Ball under control by an opponent

It is important to note that a new phase of play is created when an opponent assumes total control of the ball (in the opinion of the referee/assistant referee). For instance, an attacker can be in an offside position at the moment his teammate plays the ball. However, a defender intercepts the ball before the attacker can play it.

If the attacker seeks to tackle the defender before he gets in control of the ball, he can commit an offside offence by virtue of interfering with an opponent. Should the defender obtain full control of the ball, the attacker may legitimately become involved in actively play again. If a defender controls and moves with the ball and the attacker "surprises" the defender from behind, a short period afterward, the AR is within his right to deem the attacker to be attempting to gain an advantage from being in an offside position.


* Deliberate play by a defender

A deliberate play by a defender cannot lead to an offside offence because it does not constitute a play or touch by the attacker's teammate. However, if a deliberate play by a defender results in an accidental deflection by the attacker's teammate, that creates a new phase of play. If another opponent deflects the ball on its way to the attacker in an offside position, then the attacker cannot commit an offside offence.


* Exceptions to the offside law

An attacker cannot be offside if he receives the ball directly from a throw in, goal kick or corner kick. However, if a defender deflects the ball from any of these plays, a new phase of play has not been created. Therefore, the AR should not adjudge the attacker offside.


The "phase of play" is important for the assistant referee to judge whether an attacker commits an offside offence or not. These changes can be very dynamic, making it important for the assistant referee to be aware of who plays the ball and whether the touch/deflection comes from the attacker's teammate or opponent.

[Exiled_red]

Ok thanks Scratch, it seems I was wrong, that's what I get for listening to ameteur referees

[SK]

Ok thanks Scratch, it seems I was wrong, that's what I get for listening to ameteur referees

as far as i can understand the rules, you are right mate

[dww]

I can see why he has been injured for so long, I lost count of the number of times he was taken out. I thought he looked quite promising for the future.

That was almost comical actually. Good sign that he survived largely intact as far as one could tell.

[Exiled_red]

as far as i can understand the rules, you are right mate

I meant I was wrong about phase of play.
I was right about the offside and pressing the ball

[Scratch]

Ok thanks Scratch, it seems I was wrong, that's what I get for listening to ameteur referees

I was agreeing to you...as Defoe didn't give Kyri any time, and hassled him the minute he got the ball, he was interfering in play, and hence became actively offside.

Least, that's what i reckon.

That bit above is, as far as i can tell, some blokes interpretation of the "phase of play" part of the offside rule. Seems good to me tho!

[dww]

I just think the law is ****. You can basically argue any decision 95% of the time and it fits within the grey areas of that law. Without doubt it is one of the worst conceived changes to a law in any sport ever.

[Exiled_red]

I was agreeing to you...as Defoe didn't give Kyri any time, and hassled him the minute he got the ball, he was interfering in play, and hence became actively offside.

Least, that's what i reckon.

That bit above is, as far as i can tell, some blokes interpretation of the "phase of play" part of the offside rule. Seems good to me tho!

Ok I didn't realise that it was just someones opinion. I was right about the offside, it seems I could be wrong about when the phase of play changes, I'll admit the whole phase of play confuses the hell out of me

But the decision was right.