The Red Card

[BFG]

No complaints with the Soto red, there's no justification in tackling like that. However Fellaini should also definitely have gone for the stamp. I'd say there was more intent there from him to hurt Soto that vice versa but they were both extremely stupid, dangerous tackles.

The worst one in the match for me was the Pienaar one on Mascherano. That was an out and out leg breaker and the FA need to be seen to act on that, it was ridiculous and it's only good fortune that Mascher isn't in plaster at the moment. If that foul had been punished with the red it deserved things might have started to calm down rather than all the rest of the crazy tackles flying in. The referee did little to stop things escalating the way they did.

[Molby]

No complaints with the Soto red, there's no justification in tackling like that. However Fellaini should also definitely have gone for the stamp. I'd say there was more intent there from him to hurt Soto that vice versa but they were both extremely stupid, dangerous tackles.

The worst one in the match for me was the Pienaar one on Mascherano. That was an out and out leg breaker and the FA need to be seen to act on that, it was ridiculous and it's only good fortune that Mascher isn't in plaster at the moment. If that foul had been punished with the red it deserved things might have started to calm down rather than all the rest of the crazy tackles flying in. The referee did little to stop things escalating the way they did.

But unfortunately, Martin Atkinson gave the little South Africian weasel a yellow at the time, so the FA deems the incident to have been dealt with, therefore they cannot act on it retrospectively.

Crap rule, but it's there.

[MrMichael]

I think Kyrgiakos probably should have gone, it was heavy, two footed, and potantially dangerous. I think he was going for the ball though, but in the end a red was a justifiable interpretation by the ref

However, the Piennar one above was just a horrible challenge, with no intent to get the ball whatsoever, how that only got a yellow is completely beyond me.

[bkwitche]

Pienaar on Masch is a proper leg breaking tackle. We could easily be talking about Masch's 10 month road to recovery and watching one of those horrific jelly leg gifs.

[Exiled_red]

Just looking at Shanks clip again I wonder how good a view the ref had of the tackle itself. Gerrard seems to come between Mascherano and the ref just before Pienaar makes contact. It could be that all he sees is Pienaar coming in and then the 'lower part' of the contact, and may look like his foot just went over the ball hence the booking. I wonder if when he sees the video he would say if he'd missed the full extent of the challenge, and had he seen it would have given a red card (allowing the FA to charge Pienaar).

That's the only reason I can think that he didn't give a red, surely if he'd seen it fully theres no doubt that it was a red.

[rudedog]

Just looking at Shanks clip again I wonder how good a view the ref had of the tackle itself. Gerrard seems to come between Mascherano and the ref just before Pienaar makes contact. It could be that all he sees is Pienaar coming in and then the 'lower part' of the contact, and may look like his foot just went over the ball hence the booking. I wonder if when he sees the video he would say if he'd missed the full extent of the challenge, and had he seen it would have given a red card (allowing the FA to charge Pienaar).

That's the only reason I can think that he didn't give a red, surely if he'd seen it fully theres no doubt that it was a red.

MOTD showed the tackle from the refs position and he had a clear view of it.

[Exiled_red]

MOTD showed the tackle from the refs position and he had a clear view of it.

Ok I missed that

If he had a clear view I can't believe he didn't deem it a red card

[Reece]

Atkinson came across as having no feeling of authority over the players. It was a very weak display in my opinion.

[saj]

Lee Dixon on MOTD said that when he first saw it, he thought Fellaini**** would get a red. And he also said it shoudn't have been a red for Soto and upon seeing the replay, Dixon still thought it shouldn't have been a red. Soto went in WITH 1 LEG. But given the referee's distance, I can understand why he gave a red though. It appeared that he flew in with both legs.

[Scratch]

MOTD showed the tackle from the refs position and he had a clear view of it.

Ok I missed that

If he had a clear view I can't believe he didn't deem it a red card

Think MOTD ballsed it up then, cos you can clearly see he has to sway to see round Gerrard, right before/at the point of impact, so he will have missed the tackle, and saw the after math with the ball disappearing in the difection that Pienarr was moving, making it look like he got some of the ball.

[Exiled_red]

Think MOTD ballsed it up then, cos you can clearly see he has to sway to see round Gerrard, right before/at the point of impact, so he will have missed the tackle, and saw the after math with the ball disappearing in the difection that Pienarr was moving, making it look like he got some of the ball.

That's what I thought, but I didn't see MOTD.

[Redspin]

MOTD showed the tackle from the refs position and he had a clear view of it.

He didn't; Gerrard, I think it was, crossed his line of sight just as the challenge was made

[rudedog]

He didn't; Gerrard, I think it was, crossed his line of sight just as the challenge was made

Like I said, MOTD showed the footage from the refs angle and froze the play at the point of impact - just reporting what they showed.

[Scratch]

Like I said, MOTD showed the footage from the refs angle and froze the play at the point of impact - just reporting what they showed.

Where was Gerrard in the MOTD reconstruction?

[Dhav]

He came off the ground and went in two footed - it's a red.

Screech should've gone too though.

I don't accept that Kyrgiakos comes off the ground as such, but he does go in two footed, and so that for me is a red. Fellaini should have had two reds really, the kick in Kuyt's face looked deliberate to me (or at the very least reckless), and that is a stamp on Zorba.

Everton really are a bunch of roughhouse cunts