The New Manager Thread

[BobTheCharmer]

After Sven, people were crying out for an English manager to manage England. Look how that worked out

McLaren was too early in his career for taking the reigns of the national team and the pressures that come with it.

O'Neill is the ideal age to turn us around.

I'd still rather Kenny if he felt up to it.

[BobTheCharmer]

But equally you could say all the British based candiates don't have experience dealing with the pressures and expectations of big clubs and big name players and their egos...

But they know the league and whats required. I place that as more important than never dealing with big name ego's.

We've had two defensive minded foreign coaches in a row. Its only fair to the rest of us to go british.

[Exiled_red]

But they know the league and whats required. I place that as more important than never dealing with big name ego's.

We've had two defensive minded foreign coaches in a row. Its only fair to the rest of us to go british.

Knowing the league with a small club is one thing but there are totally different pressures in managing a big club in the premiership and managing a midtable club. If you manage a midtable club you aren't expected to win every game. If you manage Liverpool you are, and you will get critisism when you don't. You also have to approach the game differently.

I don't believe that because they are foreign they are more defensive minded and that an English or British coach would be more attack minded. We happen to have picked two defensive minded managers in the past where they're from doesn't matter.

[CJ]

i find it strange that people criticise rafa for being a distant disciplinarian then want van gaal.

people critisie rafa for not producing free flowing attacking football and want maureen.

I dont know who i want.

what do we want?

do we want to win the league?

do we want to win the champs league in the next few years?

do we want a good academy and young players coming through meaning we dont need to spend loads on players?

do we want free flowing attacking football? (not sure why this is the liverpool way as apart from kenny in the very late 80s and maybe uncle roy have we been a free flowing club we tend to be very efficiant and destroy like last half of last season under rafa.


for me the question is what we want and then we can choose a manager who we think will deliver those aims?

[Slinky Skills]

i find it strange that people criticise rafa for being a distant disciplinarian then want van gaal.

people critisie rafa for not producing free flowing attacking football and want maureen.

I dont know who i want.

what do we want?

do we want to win the league?

do we want to win the champs league in the next few years?

do we want a good academy and young players coming through meaning we dont need to spend loads on players?

do we want free flowing attacking football? (not sure why this is the liverpool way as apart from kenny in the very late 80s and maybe uncle roy have we been a free flowing club we tend to be very efficiant and destroy like last half of last season under rafa.


for me the question is what we want and then we can choose a manager who we think will deliver those aims?

But daddy I want a golden ticket and I want one now!!!!!

[BobTheCharmer]

Knowing the league with a small club is one thing but there are totally different pressures in managing a big club in the premiership and managing a midtable club. If you manage a midtable club you aren't expected to win every game. If you manage Liverpool you are, and you will get critisism when you don't. You also have to approach the game differently.

I don't believe that because they are foreign they are more defensive minded and that an English or British coach would be more attack minded. We happen to have picked two defensive minded managers in the past where they're from doesn't matter.

Villa aren't a small club though. Their fans are notorious for being hard to please. Despite a cup final, a semi final and a challenge for 4th.

Hodgson has managed at Inter with high expectations and has done a tremendous job at fulham since day one.

I do take you point about the expecting to win every game, and its a very valid point, but I think its only fair to give someone a crack at it.

If the finances are tight and there's no reason to suggest any different, then a manager who is used to working within these restraints has got to be better for the club than someone who knows what he wants but can't or won't change his ideas to get the best out of what is available.

I honestly think if money was no object, Rafa would have probably succeeded. He could have kept the same formation and had quality back ups ready to step in. Unfortunately life isn't like that unless you're City or Madrid.

Hodgson, O'Neill, Redknapp et al are used to wheeling and dealing. Its what is required.

[dww]

i find it strange that people criticise rafa for being a distant disciplinarian then want van gaal.

people critisie rafa for not producing free flowing attacking football and want maureen.

I dont know who i want.

what do we want?

do we want to win the league?

do we want to win the champs league in the next few years?

do we want a good academy and young players coming through meaning we dont need to spend loads on players?

do we want free flowing attacking football? (not sure why this is the liverpool way as apart from kenny in the very late 80s and maybe uncle roy have we been a free flowing club we tend to be very efficiant and destroy like last half of last season under rafa.


for me the question is what we want and then we can choose a manager who we think will deliver those aims?

Hodgson is also a strange choice from those who claim that Rafa is too rigid and want attacking football. His style is similarly possession based and in the two top leagues he has managed in he has struggled to move beyond that. He could be a good man to come in and prepare the squad for another manager to come in and finish the progression (much as he did at Inter) I suppose.

Also people make it sound like his time at Inter indicates he has handled big name stars but I'm pretty sure he was there just before that era.

He could do a very good job, but it won't be in the way many people wanted when they talked of Rafa being replaced when he was still in job.

I think there is a danger however of over simplifying the idea of man management - just because van Gaal is thought of as a disciplinarian doesn't mean that his way of doing it would not be more compatible with some players than others. Despite many people's misgivings it is clear that Reina and Mascherano are very loyal to Rafa.

[CJ]

i just get the feeling all we want is the league title once ASAP . to do that it may need a different manager than one who delivers long term. It also may be damaging long term to win the league once. Of course it may not i just think we need to know what we want and then you can look at the candidates and chose the right one. That may be how the club are doing it. THey might not have the same list of wants though.

[dww]

Hodgson has managed at Inter with high expectations and has done a tremendous job at fulham since day one.

Wasn't his highest finish at Inter 6th or something though? I'm not sure that this idea of his time at Inter being ideal preparation isn't a bit of a myth built on lack of knowledge.

Still that said he has many other good qualities and has managed old, injury prone players like Duff well at Fulham. I just don't think he is the type of manager that some think he is.

[dww]

i just get the feeling all we want is the league title once ASAP . to do that it may need a different manager than one who delivers long term. It also may be damaging long term to win the league once. Of course it may not i just think we need to know what we want and then you can look at the candidates and chose the right one. That may be how the club are doing it. THey might not have the same list of wants though.

There are different ways of thinking long term though. Rafa tended to blood players in meaningless end of season games or CL matches when the result was less key. Wenger has developed players for a long time using the cups and choosing not to care about the results.

I think it is key that any manager or management structure does look long term - perhaps a model with Kenny as director of football is the way forward if we want an appointment purely based on trying to improve our league form short term.

[Daniel 7]

I know of a few people sticking their cash on Marco van Basten. Not saying I agree with it, but he's not been mentioned here has he?

For me, I would love to see Frank Rijkaard or van Gaal. The style of play either have put together is just what I like to watch. Can't see them coming though, there's no cash for either to mould the squad to their image.

[CJ]

There are different ways of thinking long term though. Rafa tended to blood players in meaningless end of season games or CL matches when the result was less key. Wenger has developed players for a long time using the cups and choosing not to care about the results.

I think it is key that any manager or management structure does look long term - perhaps a model with Kenny as director of football is the way forward if we want an appointment purely based on trying to improve our league form short term.

i agree i just wonder if some of the candidates would do that?

[Big-Red-Ed]

The problem is the fans list of positive points for choosing a new manager will not be the same as kenny and purslow's search criteria.

Top of purslow's criteria will be:
1. Who can we get on the cheap.
2. Who can we get who will know they have to operate with little or no money.
3. Who is willing to work under those 2 ******s H and G.

[peekay]

There is something about Sven which says guaranteed mediocrity. Even though the chances are very less there is at least hope that one of Mcleish and Co. might be a top manager. There is a very slight chance that they may step up and I can cling to that. With Sven, I think the chances are nil. We dont do bad but we wont do well also, kinda like Spurs.

Not too sure about Hodgson also. He has won only one away game with Fulham all year in the league.

Stats courtesy of Carralegend for Hodgson

"In the PL, Played 73, won 12, drew 26, lost 35 from away games during his spells at Blackburn and Fulham is not pretty."

[Guest]

It's going to be another long term process starting from scratch again. There is no quick fix in football and I think this will be a massive kick in the teeth of those who advocated for his departure. The manager who will come in will want his stamp on things and there are going to be a lot of departures on the playing side, of that I am certain. We won't be challenging for honors for at least 3 years as I am expecting a mass exodus and a rebuilding process.