Does Rafa deserve one last throw of the dice?

[einar]

I dont dismiss it. He was building. Fine.

What he's built now, is either ****, or it's good, but he cant get the goodness out of it. So to speak.

Results dont lie, not 30 games into a season.

Your barefoot example is a weird one.

I'll say it once more...

Outside influences havent helped and the owners are cunts, but we have the 3rd or 4th best group of players in the league, and we look on course for 7th. That's the long and short of it. Even with the outside influences, our team is far better than what we are achieving. Far better. The fact that we're underachieving is down to poor utilisation of what we have. End of.

ok I don´t agree, but ok.

[Craig_H]

Ok Finnish Red. I agree with you, whatever it was you said.

I have zero will or passion left right now.

[Armchairkopite]

, but we have the 3rd or 4th best group of players in the league, and we look on course for 7th. That's the long and short of it. Even with the outside influences, our team is far better than what we are achieving. Far better. The fact that we're underachieving is down to poor utilisation of what we have. End of.

Ok now take into consideration the unusaul injury crisis we have had and hey presto, its not rocket science is it.

[Armchairkopite]

Did I say that?

Nope.

[Craig_H]

Ok now take into consideration the unusaul injury crisis we have had and hey presto, its not rocket science is it.

How about United having their entire defence missing, for periods of time?

Hey presto, injuries happen in football. Maybe signings like £20m Aquilani and £20m Keane has something to do with us not being able to cope with injuries.

Not rafa's fault though. Obviously.

[Armchairkopite]

Ok Finnish Red. I agree with you, whatever it was you said.

I have zero will or passion left right now.

Its no wonder, you never consider other peoples views at all mate.

No one is 100%right or wrong but you may find it more fruitful to consider what other people are saying rather then trying to ram your own ideas down their throats.

[Craig_H]

How am i ramming anything? I just say what i think, and people say what they think. Do i have to change my mind to be 'considering' other views? I've considered, and i still have my opinion. Why dont you consider my view? Are you ramming your opinion down my throat? No, you considered my views and your opinion hasnt changed. Well, same for me.

I've actually said words to the effect of it 'this is what i think, and i dont want to keep saying it so this is my opinion, and thats all i wanna say' - and then people like you keep dragging me back into it and then accuse me of 'ramming my opinion down peoples throats'

[Finnish_Red]

Ok Finnish Red. I agree with you, whatever it was you said.

I have zero will or passion left right now.

I wasn't even arguing with you. I just thought a lot of people were really excited to get Sammy back because he would complement Rafa's lack in man management.

It's all one big mess right now. Bs owners, injuries, players form, you name it. Rafa hasn't pulled out a rabbit ouf of the hat this season (not even a hamster to be fair), but I honestly don't know who would have done/could do better here. Next summer will be massive in many levels for our club.

[Armchairkopite]

How about United having their entire defence missing, for periods of time?

Hey presto, injuries happen in football. Maybe signings like £20m Aquilani and £20m Keane has something to do with us not being able to cope with injuries.

Not rafa's fault though. Obviously.

You just said our squad was good enough for 3rd or 4th when you add to that our extraordinary injury list this season I think even a simple minded person like yourself can understand that we may be below that threshold.

And you bring up Keane.

Not a Rafa signing, wasn't given the money for a replacement and only lost out on a fraction of his cost because Rafa acted swiftly.

[Craig_H]

I wasn't even arguing with you. I just thought a lot of people were really excited to get Sammy back because he would complement Rafa's lack in man management.

It's all one big mess right now. Bs owners, injuries, players form, you name it. Rafa hasn't pulled out a rabbit ouf of the hat this season (not even a hamster to be fair), but I honestly don't know who would have done/could do better here. Next summer will be massive in many levels for our club.

You never know who could've done better, but think back to some of those frustrating moments in games where rafa has made a decision that baffled you - and ask yourself if maybe someone else might've made a different decision.

As for next summer - i think it's the here and now that will decide it.

Either we somehow get 4th and rescue ourselves, or we dont, and if city do - that's it for us as a top club.

[Armchairkopite]

How am i ramming anything? I just say what i think, and people say what they think. Do i have to change my mind to be 'considering' other views? I've considered, and i still have my opinion. Why dont you consider my view? Are you ramming your opinion down my throat? No, you considered my views and your opinion hasnt changed. Well, same for me.

I've actually said words to the effect of it 'this is what i think, and i dont want to keep saying it so this is my opinion, and thats all i wanna say' - and then people like you keep dragging me back into it and then accuse me of 'ramming my opinion down peoples throats'

Why would people keep saying it, its bizarre isn't it.

[cream]

Anyone else see Thommo's rant at the yanks on SSN?

[Craig_H]

You just said our squad was good enough for 3rd or 4th when you add to that our extraordinary injury list this season I think even a simple minded person like yourself can understand that we may be below that threshold.

And you bring up Keane.

Not a Rafa signing, wasn't given the money for a replacement and only lost out on a fraction of his cost because Rafa acted swiftly.

Course he wasnt a rafa signing. The board put it to rafa and rafa said 'i dont want keane'.

Then the golden goal seller behind the kop made the decision to press ahead with the deal, with the approval of the hotdog vendor.

Poor rafa.

Maybe torres wasnt his signing either. Or is it only the poor ones that arent his, the ones which dont work out?

It's symptomatic actually. When we had a great year last season, rafa rightly took the praise and credit for it.

But this season, it's gone wrong - so it cant be anything to do with him or his decisions.

Maybe the good substitution decisions have been his idea, and maybe the ones that didnt come off, were made by the physio.

I dont have the energy mate so i'm gonna leave you to it.

[Armchairkopite]

You never know who could've done better, but think back to some of those frustrating moments in games where rafa has made a decision that baffled you - and ask yourself if maybe someone else might've made a different decision.

Good God straw clutching at its very best.....'WHAT IF'...

As for next summer - i think it's the here and now that will decide it.

Either we somehow get 4th and rescue ourselves, or we dont, and if city do - that's it for us as a top club.

Why we have top players if they leave it will be for top dollar, one season outside the top four wont make us any smaller a club.

[Armchairkopite]

Course he wasnt a rafa signing. The board put it to rafa and rafa said 'i dont want keane'.

Then the golden goal seller behind the kop made the decision to press ahead with the deal, with the approval of the hotdog vendor.

Poor rafa.

Maybe torres wasnt his signing either. Or is it only the poor ones that arent his, the ones which dont work out?

It's symptomatic actually. When we had a great year last season, rafa rightly took the praise and credit for it.

But this season, it's gone wrong - so it cant be anything to do with him or his decisions.

Maybe the good substitution decisions have been his idea, and maybe the ones that didnt come off, were made by the physio.

I dont have the energy mate so i'm gonna leave you to it.

There you go again with your ' I HAD A DREAM' scenario..your a classic mate.