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    Rafa: "We've only got a couple of months to put up with each other"

    Someone on RAWK started a thread about rafa's last season in charge at valencia and some of his training methods. It offers some brilliant insights into his mindset and how senior players dont always agree with his 'kaizen' approach to football.

    ALL liverpool fans should read this buts its really long.

    Here's the start.



    Quote from: Rafa Benitez
    There are players with no drive and they contaminate the rest of the team. You need enthusiasm. There are players who work but the problem is that they only do so now and again.

    ...We've only got a couple of months to put up with each other.*

    Harsh words from Rafael Benitez when you consider that the media spotlight is trained both on his ability as a manager, and on the overall plight of the club he manages, while the domestic football establishment sharpens its knives in anticipation of the impending kill.

    The team is underperforming. It lags painfully behind the leading group in the League, and is perilously close to exit from European competition. The fans want answers: stars playing well below the level we all know they're capable of; basic mistakes and a lack of collective concentration undermining their efforts; team selections and substitutions that at times seem to defy logic; and an increasingly fractious relationship between the manager and his counterparts in domestic and European football.

    The backdrop for his latest outburst is the ******* offspring of Munch and Dali*: the club teeters on the brink due to precarious financial instability and mismanagement; ownership wrangles hit the headlines and demean the club's name on a regular basis; senior players are all too eager to add their disruptive tuppenceworth for their friends in the gathering throng of media vultures. The squad is seemingly divided and sulking. Some felt it was on the brink of greatness last season, while some felt it performed well above its true level. The general consensus was that with just a couple of quality reinforcements, the club would make the full transition to greatness this term - a return to the level of its birthright.

    The management team are frustrated, aware of their squad's potential, while painfully aware (and arguably far too aware) of its limitations.

    Propping the whole shooting match up, a political house of cards plays out behind the scenes, threatening to collapse and undermine half a decade's progress at any moment.

    The club: Valencia CF
    The time: the closing stages of season 2002-03.

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    It's an argument that's been thrown into the debate from time to time during the last few weeks. Paul Tomkins notably went down this route in a recent blog.
    [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

    #2
    and yet he won the league the following season plus the Uefa cup
    Jürgen Klopp

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      #3
      Originally posted by SlovenianKopite View Post
      and yet he won the league the following season plus the Uefa cup
      so we should really give him the backing he wants and then let him deliver the results.

      My personal belief is that he will probably leave for juventus or inter milan and we will be left with a pile of ****e.
      [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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        #4
        Originally posted by el matador View Post
        so we should really give him the backing he wants and then let him deliver the results.

        My personal belief is that he will probably leave for juventus or inter milan and we will be left with a pile of ****e.
        That's my concern (except the bit about Inter).
        .
        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



        May the Lord bless this post.

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          #5
          Originally posted by SlovenianKopite View Post
          and yet he won the league the following season plus the Uefa cup
          So what exactly changed the season after? Any idea?

          I'm half asleep and half way through began to wonder if I'd misread it, as they could quite easily be describing Liverpool there
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            #6
            Originally posted by el matador View Post
            so we should really give him the backing he wants and then let him deliver the results.

            My personal belief is that he will probably leave for juventus or inter milan and we will be left with a pile of ****e.
            i'd don't know, i personally have had enough of the ****e football we've had to endour this season. and he does seem to have run out of ideas.

            in normal curcumstances i'd say "leave it to the men in charge" but as we're stuck with those two ******s, no-doubt we'll end up with the cheapes option avaliable

            Originally posted by wiw View Post
            So what exactly changed the season after? Any idea?

            I'm half asleep and half way through began to wonder if I'd misread it, as they could quite easily be describing Liverpool there
            well real madrid who were leading midway through, had a sudden dip in form, which allowed valencia to overtake them. don't know about the transfers in personel rafa made prior to that season, and if it had any significance to them winning.

            it's very similar to what's happening at liverpool atm, but i'd think something like that would have happend in rafa's final season at valencia and that it would have a relevance to him being sacked/leaving, as it's not i see no point comparing it to the situation that's occuring here, as i'm pretty sure rafa will leave in the summer, without winning us the title.
            Jürgen Klopp

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              #7
              Funny how we're all sure of different things, i have no doubt in my mind that Rafa will be here next season....i'm just so sure of it...he's already talking like he knows it too....as i think do the players.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Vermilion View Post
                Funny how we're all sure of different things, i have no doubt in my mind that Rafa will be here next season....i'm just so sure of it...he's already talking like he knows it too....as i think do the players.
                I agree. Unless some rich sugar daddy takes over the club as I don't think the yanks would sack rafa as they'd have to pay him out.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SB View Post
                  I agree. Unless some rich sugar daddy takes over the club as I don't think the yanks would sack rafa as they'd have to pay him out.
                  Not just the cost of sacking..but the enourmous cost of replacing him with a manager good enough....and then to give that new manager the funds he'll demand, unless they install a novice at this level, happy to just amble along, it's clear we can't afford Maureen, so the list gets ever smaller.
                  Last edited by Vermilion; 28-03-10, 11:57 AM.

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                    #10
                    That was some article!!

                    The more I think about it the more I'm convinced Rafa should go. That post shows that what is happening with our club also happened with Valencia. He comes across as a very cold person who is totally focussed on winning. Footballers are young men who are in most cases cut off from reality. Sometimes they need the proverbial arm around the shoulder. Stevie comes to mind as someone like that. Unfortunately Rafa seems incapable of showing warmth towards towards his players.

                    Having said that I have enormous respect for the man.

                    I'm confused!!
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by brightred View Post
                      That was some article!!

                      The more I think about it the more I'm convinced Rafa should go. That post shows that what is happening with our club also happened with Valencia. He comes across as a very cold person who is totally focussed on winning. Footballers are young men who are in most cases cut off from reality. Sometimes they need the proverbial arm around the shoulder. Stevie comes to mind as someone like that. Unfortunately Rafa seems incapable of showing warmth towards towards his players.

                      Having said that I have enormous respect for the man.

                      I'm confused!!
                      yeah but the season after all that happening, he won the double with valencia, so the article could very well read, we should stick with him as he's capable of turning things round(just to make things clear i think he should be replaced with someone who could do a better job with this team and not neccesaraly spend tens of millions and a few years rebiulding the squad)

                      and i also think stevie (apart from this horrendous season) is a better player than he was before rafa took over
                      Jürgen Klopp

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                        #12
                        Good point about Stevie but he looks unhappy.
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                          #13
                          Stevie is 29 and our captain, he also has a father who is alive and well as far as i know.

                          Will Capello give him hugs and kisses when he turns up for England duty, bollox

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                            #14
                            there are some undoubted parallels but the stark difference is that the valencia team seemd to rest on their laurels after winning the league title whereas we finished our season empty handed. so if anything, some of our players crumbled under the pressure of being tipped to win the league. either because deep down they felt the squad wasn't good enough to top last season's achievement or because they're not strong enough mentally.
                            now you could argue that when the chips are down, you show your true colours and that the manager and the players have learnt alot and will come out stronger.
                            for me though, i've come to concede that the manager is unable to instill believe in the players and to show them how to cope with the extra pressure. changing your personell is the easy way out isn't it?

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                              #15
                              i think the more experienced players struggle with his methods.

                              If you are 28 years old, one of the worlds best players and a star for your national side, it can be difficult to take benitez' constant nit picking on the faults.

                              When youre young and you are eager to learn its different because you know that the man will turn you into a world class player.

                              But if you've just scored a hat-trick for liverpool and instead of focusing on the positives the manager just turns around and mentions the one you missed. For experienced players it must be really hard to take and frustrating but that's his way.

                              Focus on the areas that need improvement and make sure the players are constantly working hard to improve their weaknesses.
                              [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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