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    RBS are wobbling over extending the loan

    This is lifted from RAWK, but it appears RBS are not to comfortable with giving the 2 clowns an extension. As we know if this fails to happen they will be forced to sell for a reasonable price.

    It needs a push to RBS from all us reds to make them think twice.

    As stated in the first thread about fighting back, I’ve had inside information that RBS, are very worried about the loans to H&G, that they are wavering in their committment to both H&G and the loans... and that they really don’t want to give any further extension on the loans.

    And most importantly, I’ve been told they will be ” very receptive” to any further pressure.

    In other words... their bottle's gone, and they want to pull the plug on Hicks & Gillettte but they are dithering, but enough pressure from us could just push them over the edge.

    Obviously, I can’t divulge too much about how all this was aquired, but after a lot of discussion on this with my contact and a couple of others in the know, a friend has drafted a letter. It is very thorough and details the whole disaster which is H&G. More importantly it is structured in a way to put a great deal of pressure on the relevant executives at RBS and the relevant politicians.

    So, let's let them know that we refuse to be conned or placated any more. We are not falling for any of it and that we are holding them responsible for the damage already inflicted on LFC and for any further damage that extending the loans will inflict.

    So, yes it’s more bloody letter writing. But all we need you to do is...
    fire up the printer, get a few envelopes and sheets of paper, and a book of first class stamps…
    Bingo. Done. No big deal. And very very little effort to aid your club as best you can in it's time of biggest need.

    There's no excuses now. You can do this from anywhere in the world....

    Send the letter on as it is - but add a wee personel note. Tell them where you got the letter from. Tell them you are personally aware of what’s going on and there are many thousands like you - and make sure to tell them that like many thousands of people, you will hold them responsible for any more damage inflicted upon LFC.

    It's time we let them know that we hold them accountable for the damage already done, and for any further damage Hicks and Gillette inflict on the club because their loans and extensions are not only enabling them to carry on causing further damage - but also reaping them many millions in interest.

    And make it plain that this has to stop.

    I will post the letter shortly. But first I want people to digest that, simply because...
    I'm frankly disgusted by the lack of effort seen so far. It's a disgrace.

    The same old usual culprits constantly being left to do what we should all be doing without a seconds thought...
    It's your club. It's being systematically milked for all it's worth, and that will probably continue until we all draw a line, say that's enough and stand and fight for it.

    So, ****in stand up and be counted then!

    That's not to belittle the efforts of all the good people that have done their bit. In fact, some have gone way above and beyond the call of duty. But they need help! They need numbers to be effective - as does this next stage of the campaign.

    Well, it's in your hands now.

    How many of you want the alternative kit?

    Within hours so many had made requests for the kit, that it grew into 3 seperate threads, all rapidly going up in head counts - while other anti-owner threads struggled to stay on the front page of the site.... that's a disgrace.

    Don't take that wrong... John, Kit and the others working on the alternative kit are all committed to this and doing a great job. Some are working on all this while suffering personal hardship and tragedy... I don't have the words to praise them lads enough.

    But the rest of you... ffs, it's not a fashion show.

    Just walking round in the next must have accesory for the young LFC fan is not fighting H&G... not if you don't put in any committment or effort.

    I'm telling you straight, I'm not only dismayed by the reaction and apathy, I'm about to throw the towel in...
    If you can't be arsed, why should anyone else?

    And if we give up... well, we know the consequences, just ask fans of the Corinthians.

    So ffs get on it. Prove me wrong. Show there's still fight left. More importantly show the bloody bankers and politicians that you aren't going to take it anymore... and drag in as many people as you can.

    In unity there's strength... and there's bloody millions of us. Get enough of them on this and we can win and you can look them in the eye when you're asked....
    "What did you do in the war Daddy?"
    http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/...topic=259237.0


    ALL it needs is to print off this draft letter and add your own few personal words to it and post it to RBS. Whats a stamp cost? 40p? Your club needs you!


    To:
    John Hourican
    Chief Executive, Global Banking and Markets
    RBS
    36 St Andrew Square
    Edinburgh
    EH2 2YB


    Distribution list:
    cc. Suneel Kamlani, GBM
    cc. Marco Mazzucchelli, GBM
    cc. Alan Dickinson, UK Corporate
    cc. Mark Catton, UK Corporate
    cc. Roger Lowry, Head of Public Affairs
    cc. Dr Vince Cable, Secretary of State BIS (1 Victoria Street London
    SW1H 0ET)
    cc. Jeremy Hunt, Secretary of State, Sport (2-4 Cockspur Street London
    SW1Y 5DH)



    Dear Mr Hourican

    I wish to convey my ongoing and extreme dissatisfaction over the
    management of the RBS loan facility provided to Tom Hicks and George
    Gillett, that continues to prop up their catastrophic ownership of
    Liverpool Football Club.

    I am not a member, but the supporters union, Spirit of Shankly, one of
    the most vociferous opponents of the current regime, recently ran an
    billboard advertising campaign targeting the ownership of the club
    that used the appropriate tag line "Debt, Lies, Cowboys". I am going
    to unashamedly borrow that line as a structure to this letter.

    Debt
    As you know, the club's debts as of last July stood at £351m, of which
    £237m constitutes the loan facility provided by RBS, the remainder
    being in high-interest intra-company loan from Hicks and Gillett's
    offshore holding company, Kop Cayman. These figures may have changed
    slightly over the past 11 months since the accounts entered into the
    public domain, but no additional investment has been secured by the
    owners, and there remains no doubt that the overall debt is escalating
    to a point whereby negative equity will very soon come into effect, if
    not already a reality.

    In addition to this, the club's ongoing ability to service such a debt
    has become highly unsustainable. Improving sponsorship income is
    relatively insignificant, and the only measure which could have
    significantly supported this level of borrowing - the building of a
    new stadium - has not in over 3 years, proceeded beyond architectural
    renders, the apparent cost of which, an obscene £50m, has also been
    put on the club's balance sheet. Against this backdrop of
    unserviceable loans and gross financial misconduct, it is therefore no
    surprise that the club's auditors, KPMG, have for the second year
    running raised red flags, expressing "material uncertainty about
    (the club's) ability to continue operating as a going concern". A
    damning indictment that instigated the Premier League to demand that
    the club's newly-installed Chairman, Martin Broughton (more on him
    later), appear before their Chief Executive and Board of Directors in
    person to provide verbal assurances that the club would in fact be
    able to meet its fixture list for the forthcoming 2010-11 season.
    Leaving aside the embarrassment, it is not difficult to see the
    Premier League's perspective. The phrase "living hand to mouth"
    springs to mind.

    Forgive my stating the obvious to a senior professional banker at this
    point, but it is purely to set up and illustrate a point. Like any
    borrowings, the conditions for obtaining a credit facility of this
    type is based on the financial background of the individuals in
    question, their existing commitments, the value of the purchased
    asset, and in the case of refinancing, I would imagine their recent
    history and behaviour when it comes to servicing the existing loan,
    and any others held by them. Which brings us to Tom Hicks.


    Lies
    Liverpool fans and credible media (both UK and global) are clear in
    that Tom Hicks tells lies. The list is a long one but here is the
    latest relevant example, provoked by the condemnation by the club's
    former Chairman who deeply regrets selling to Hicks and Gillett. You
    can view it online at the following URL, together with valid
    deconstruction, here:http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/...-Tom-Can).html

    So, in addition to his established propensity for lies, l wish to
    address the basis for the latest extension of the RBS facility, which
    was conditional on the agreement that the club be officially put up
    for sale, with Hicks conceding to step back from the process in order
    to realise a quick transfer of ownership. This agreement was ratified
    by the appointment of the aforementioned Martin Broughton, who has
    confirmed that his is a short-term part-time role, the sole remit of
    which is to find and approve an appropriate buyer for the club at a
    fair market price. It is not difficult to assume therefore that his
    appointment was at RBS' express request, via an intermediary third
    party. "Within months" was Mr Brougton's statement on the timescale
    for sale, upon taking up the position in April.

    However, since then, there have been numerous interview quotes from
    Hicks, arrogant and belligerent as ever, claiming that irrespective of
    the 'For Sale' announcement, he will continue demand up to a totally
    unrealistic £800m for the club and that he is willing to prolong the
    situation and take up to two years to sell. He is even boasting in the
    US media about how profitable Liverpool FC will be for him, all
    bluster designed to divert attention from the harsh reality that he is
    in financial dire straits and has been for some time. These comments
    are clearly a stark contradiction of those reassurances he provided
    the RBS with, and thus render them meaningless. Like us, the fans, you
    are being lied to. It is not difficult to surmise that Hicks'
    agreement to sell was simply a ploy to obtain 'breathing space' -
    which you duly obliged with, at least verbally - in which to further
    his agenda of financial pillage, possibly even petty revenge (on the
    fans who have rightly not allowed him to act without accountability,
    the "terrible personal price" he often complains about) but ultimately
    a desire to seek personal profit whatever the cost to the club, or its
    creditors.


    Cowboys
    Talking of creditors, what surely must be of even greater concern to
    the RBS, is the eerily similar situation Hicks finds himself in with
    his US sporting assets, the Dallas Stars and the Texas Rangers. In
    April 2009, Hicks willingly allowed both clubs (operated by Hicks
    Sports Group) to default on $525m loan, a premeditated decision that
    Hicks himself insisted was a "negotiating tactic" designed to force
    the banks to renegotiate the terms of the loan. I must try that line
    myself next time I wake up one morning and take a sudden dislike to my
    existing RBS mortgage rate, the one I happily agreed to on signing. In
    fact, I would be, quite literally, betting my mortgage on the outcome
    of that particular conversation.

    Not content with just that small matter of defaulting on a half-
    billion dollar loan, Hicks has now, as of a few weeks ago, forced the
    Texas Rangers to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, following a
    protracted and now stalemated sale process. Sound familiar? It gets
    even worse, as although the Rangers owe $540m to their creditors, (the
    majority secured against the club, the remainder against, yet again,
    Hicks Sports Group, another part of Hicks Holdings LLC, the onus being
    on the 'limited liability' aspect) under the terms of the sale
    (preferred one of the two deals offered) that Hicks is trying to force
    through, it seems the creditors only stand to receive $230m of the
    $540m the club is being sold for. This has been extensively covered in
    the US media and the facts verified. In which case, if I was sitting
    in the RBS' shoes, I would have extreme concerns about Hicks
    attempting the same financial sleight of hand, and asking myself
    exactly what tangible assets the £237m loan I've provided is actually
    secured against, given the paper trails of Hicks' myriad of limited
    companies all end up offshore and with zero personal liability. Yes,
    there is 'the club', but the owners are continuing to asset-strip
    (sales of high value players required for ongoing success and
    Champions League income, and the recent sacking of a highly-respected
    manager who was outspoken in his condemnation of Hicks and Gillett's
    ownership), siphon off funds and are unwilling to provide or accept
    additional investment, all the while the value of the club is
    depreciating along with the chances of realising the repayment on your
    loan capital.

    It should also be worth noting that latest reports this week state
    that Hicks has yet again blocked any sale to two separate potential
    buyers, simply on the basis of his wholly unrealistic asking price.
    This adds considerable weight to the already strong opinion that,
    unlike his co-owner George Gillett, Hicks has no intention of wanting
    to sell the club. His asking price is said to include added valuation
    for the future revenues generated by a stadium that he failed to
    build, and that a new buyer will have to pay to build instead, a
    stance that is as bizarre as it is illogical and which therefore
    represents an insurmountable block to any sale, now or in the future.

    Essentially, these actions speak, in fact, shout of a man whose
    shameful conduct and objectionable character raises deeply concerning
    questions about RBS' continuing exposure on this £237m loan and
    subsequently, a very real threat to the continued existence of
    Liverpool FC in its current status as one of Europe's leading football
    clubs. This latest agreement for refinancing for up to 12 months,
    ostensibly to allow a sales process to go through unimpaired and
    without pressure, serves no-one's benefits except Tom Hicks. What will
    be the excuse when he, as his history and substantial current evidence
    suggests he will, sells off the prize assets, and files for bankruptcy
    as per the Rangers, leaving the club in terminal financial decline or
    worse, and with the RBS, the club's major creditor out of pocket? Not
    to mention, the wider political consequences at allowing this to
    happen unchallenged. Do not underestimate this last point, as this
    matter is not an isolated one (the Glazer family's ownership - £1.2bn
    of debt's worth - of Manchester United for example) but as with the
    banking crisis that forced RBS to seek government bailout, you will
    unfortunately be viewed as culpable through negligent inaction and
    held to account.


    Summary
    And so to the crux of my expression of disgust and request for action.
    Aside from the financial hand grenade that is currently being juggled,
    the RBS and its majority shareholder HM Government have both a
    collective financial and moral responsibility to ensure that such a
    prestigious UK global export is not driven into unmanaged
    administration and ruin by the stubborn and irresponsible actions of
    two US nationals, one of whom in particular has a clear agenda and is
    leveraged up to their neck in debt. By providing yet another loan
    extension and/or refinance in order not to influence a sales process
    (one that Hicks is clearly not committed to), the RBS and HM
    Government are therefore willingly complicit in this unfolding
    disaster, a fact which will not go unnoticed or unchallenged. I am
    aware the Bank has provided the club with day-to-day banking services
    for many years long predating the arrival of Hicks and Gillett, and I
    only hope that this long-term relationship engenders a mutual desire
    to see financial stability and success.

    Fortunately, there is still an opportunity to halt this seemingly
    inexorable decline. This can be achieved by withdrawing any existing
    agreement to extend the loan effective immediately, essentially
    foreclosing on the loan to Hicks and Gillett (as Kop Football Ltd)
    secured against the club. Informal short-term administration by any
    other name, would I assure you be welcomed by all Liverpool fans, if
    it ensured the removal of the current owners. This action would then
    allow Martin Broughton to facilitate the sale of the club quickly
    (there remains many interested buyers out there at a realistic market
    price, as Barclays Capital will attest) under your mandate without
    veto or negative interference from Hicks.

    By doing so, you will be sending out a strong and positive message
    about supporting UK interests, corporate prudence and cleaning up
    financial mismanagement, a message that all addressed recipients of
    this letter, both at the RBS and the new Coalition Government, would
    surely benefit from given their own past events and the current
    financial climate. I'll sign off with an unfortunate but apt analogy
    using another Liverpool-related world famous entity. This is a last
    chance to steer a footballing Titanic hard to starboard to avoid a
    looming and malevolent iceberg and towards a bright and prosperous
    future. Actively ensuring the ship keeps to its current course,
    however, is not an appropriate action and history will judge the RBS
    accordingly.

    I implore you on behalf of fellow Liverpool stakeholders, please act
    now in the best interests of the club and indeed yourselves.

    Yours faithfully,

    (name withheld)
    Former shareholder of Liverpool FC=

    Please don't sit back and hope someone else will do it. Print it off now and post it on your dinner hour tomorrow or your way back from work.
    “Hicks could have purchased Dallas’ MLS franchise but decided not to. ‘In hindsight, I probably made the wrong decision,’ he said.“.

    "Does anything make me want to go home? My home is the Wirral." -Rafael Benítez Maudes

    #2
    Will be done in the morning - They probably wont read any of them but if we all send them the disruption of the mail system alone should mean are feelings are known.

    Cheers

    Rach

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      #3
      Come on everyone, keep the pressure on.
      Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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        #4
        cant do any harm. However with name withheld and essentially the same letter might it come accross as a bloke who has sent the same letter lots and lots.

        I work for Royalmail so post is good. Also if it doesnt change anything we have wasted the price of a stamp or two.

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          #5
          Mine will be off tomorrow. I've got 6 fellow LFC fans in work so I'll print them off for them tomorrow.
          Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."


          Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.

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            #6
            Nice one lads and lasses!

            Plus if any of you are members on other forums please post a thread about it please.

            As Servo said they probably wont read them, but its the action that will hit home with them. IF they get enough flooding in it may make them think twice. It cant do any harm. Whats the worse they can do? extend the loan? Well they are thinking about doing that anyway.
            “Hicks could have purchased Dallas’ MLS franchise but decided not to. ‘In hindsight, I probably made the wrong decision,’ he said.“.

            "Does anything make me want to go home? My home is the Wirral." -Rafael Benítez Maudes

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              #7
              Do you know what, **** it I'm going to compile my own letter, one from the heart about how they together with G & H are tearing the club and it's fans apart.

              I feel totally ashamed that I've not yet done anything even if it is just a letter.

              Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."


              Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Slinky Skills View Post
                Do you know what, **** it I'm going to compile my own letter, one from the heart about how they together with G & H are tearing the club and it's fans apart.

                I feel totally ashamed that I've not yet done anything even if it is just a letter.

                I've just drafted a cover letter to go with it & I will be buying a big book of stamps in the morning.

                They can all **** off I am sick to the stomach of what they have done to our club. At this very moment I will take a points reduction with Kenny in charge to get rid of these leaches.

                Cheers

                Rach

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SERVO2 View Post
                  I've just drafted a cover letter to go with it & I will be buying a big book of stamps in the morning.

                  They can all **** off I am sick to the stomach of what they have done to our club. At this very moment I will take a points reduction with Kenny in charge to get rid of these leaches.

                  Cheers

                  Rach



                  Sickening isn't it.
                  Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."


                  Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.

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                    #10
                    Doesn't Wachovia still have a stake in these loans?

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                      #11
                      Mine will be going tomorrow. Just put a little personal bit on the end and its good to go. If enough people send this letter they will be the picture. Just hope it isnt wasted and he only gets about 50 or so. We need a good few thousand to get the message over.

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                        #12
                        I'll do this tomorrow before lunch.

                        It takes minimal effort and if the pressure is beginning to get to RBS, now is the time to apply more.

                        We can all do our small bit to help save our beloved club, so i hope everyone does this.

                        For those who arent sure if they can be bothered - be under no illusion - the club WILL fold if the two parasites arent stopped soon. Liverpool Football Club, the institution and obsession that have given us such varying extremes of emotion, from delight and ecstacy, to turmoil and despair, WILL go out of business unless Hicks and Gilett are removed as owners, and soon.

                        If LFC ceases to exist and i know that i didnt do my best to try and help save it, i wouldnt be able to live with myself.

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                          #13
                          "The only thing needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by breffniboy View Post
                            "The only thing needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.
                            i think that is one of the best quotes. I once quoted it in a meeting at work when debating with my senior managers. Along with leaders there to make things possible managers to make them happen how have you made something possible in the last year. that didnt go down to well.

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                              #15
                              Mine will be sent today.

                              To make it even easier for people I have created a MS Word document and reformatted the text.

                              PM me with your email address and I will mail you a copy. All you need to do is add your personal bit, print and stick it in the post.

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