Swiss training camp

[red g]

I think there are arguments for and against foreign loans and I think to a large degree it depends on the player. All to often teams in the Championship are of the lump it up front and fight style which is never going to develop a young flair player, also the coaching at the likes of a top Greek team is probably better than most Championship teams. Added to the fact there may well be UEFA cup football available.

All of those things have to be balanced against the need for a PL player to be ready for a physical challenge and the fact that playing in English conditions with English referees etc is probably a help, added to the greater ease of us monitoring them. Although in the modern era of video analysis etc. I would suspect this is less of a problem than it once was.

i am not convinced it would be, nothing against the greeks but they dont really embrace foreign help to much and the championship is now full of teams with premiership experience and knowlegde from coaches with experience in the top flight.

[Mattshark]

i am not convinced it would be, nothing against the greeks but they dont really embrace foreign help to much and the championship is now full of teams with premiership experience and knowlegde from coaches with experience in the top flight.

Yes but the standard of coaching in England isn't great and top Greek teams like AEK will almost certainly be of a higher standard.

[Vermilion]

Yes but the standard of coaching in England isn't great and top Greek teams like AEK will almost certainly be of a higher standard.

I agree with you Matt, Red g is wrong, i've seen lots of his posts today and he's wrong on so many counts in many many threads...especially the ones where he disagrees with me, but that's nothing to do with my opinion that he's wrong here and my subsequent backing of your opinion. Honest.

[DannyMan2006]

Yes but the standard of coaching in England isn't great and top Greek teams like AEK will almost certainly be of a higher standard.

And why would that be?

I don't see Greek teams pulling up trees in European competition. The better Championship sides will have better facilities and coaches IMO.

[Vermilion]

And why would that be?

I don't see Greek teams pulling up trees in European competition. The better Championship sides will have better facilities and coaches IMO.

Facilities maybe, but not sure they would have better more motivated coaches.

[red g]

I agree with you Matt, Red g is wrong, i've seen lots of his posts today and he's wrong on so many counts in many many threads...especially the ones where he disagrees with me, but that's nothing to do with my opinion that he's wrong here and my subsequent backing of your opinion. Honest.

[Mattshark]

And why would that be?

I don't see Greek teams pulling up trees in European competition. The better Championship sides will have better facilities and coaches IMO.

Do you see Championship sides doing that too?

Teams like AEK, Olympiakos and Panathinaikos are all well ahead of the championship sides by a very long way.

[Ryan_Derrick]

I thought people were creaming themselves over Nemeth in the past?

He was meant to be the best thing to come out of Hungary since Puskas!

[DannyMan2006]

Facilities maybe, but not sure they would have better more motivated coaches.

And why not? How much wages would each be on in comparison?

[red g]

Do you see Championship sides doing that too? Teams like AEK, Olympiakos and Panathinaikos are all well ahead of the championship sides by a very long way.

they dont get the opportunity though do they?

[Vermilion]

And why not? How much wages would each be on in comparison?

Expect a Championship coach earns a lot more, where as over there they will have a hunger to progress to a higher; more well paid level.. or country, just like players.

[elrichio86]

If the purpose of sending players out on loan is to get them ready for 1st team football, then surely Championship football would be of more use than Greece/Belgium/etc. We're trying to prepare these players for OUR 1st team, and so we need to prepare them for OUR sort of football.

Whilst the standard of coaching may be better at the foreign clubs compared to championship clubs, if we thought that these players only decent coaching we could keep them at LFC, as that standard would be better than either other option. We're sending them out for 1st team football, not coaching.

Plus I'd imagine there are a few cash-strapped lower league clubs who would happily take some of our players - they'd never be able to afford this standard of player via normal methods.

[Muddled]

Facilities maybe, but not sure they would have better more motivated coaches.

It's debateable - highly qualified and pretty darn good English coaches get pushed down from the Premiership to the lower leagues, as people search for the next best foreign manager with a fancy name to provide quick solutions.

We are that exception to the rule. Obv.

But anyhoo, we are talking about Greek football. It's ****.

To play in the English league, you need to have a certain temperament.

You aint gonna lean that playing for AEK Athens, you need to be learning your trade roughing it out for Blackpool against Premiership opposition and coming back to Liverpool raring to make a difference, knowing what is expected of you.

[Mattshark]

If the purpose of sending players out on loan is to get them ready for 1st team football, then surely Championship football would be of more use than Greece/Belgium/etc. We're trying to prepare these players for OUR 1st team, and so we need to prepare them for OUR sort of football.

Whilst the standard of coaching may be better at the foreign clubs compared to championship clubs, if we thought that these players only decent coaching we could keep them at LFC, as that standard would be better than either other option. We're sending them out for 1st team football, not coaching.

Plus I'd imagine there are a few cash-strapped lower league clubs who would happily take some of our players - they'd never be able to afford this standard of player via normal methods.

But our sort of football is not the same as a championship sides sort of football.

[DannyMan2006]

Expect a Championship coach earns a lot more, where as over there they will have a hunger to progress to a higher; more well paid level.. or country, just like players.

Are so you saying the English coaches are less motivated? I really don't know what gives you that idea tbh. David Moyes came from Preston and he seems motivated, same could be said of O'Neil, Steve Bruce, etc.