Swiss training camp

[Muddled]

My general impression, based on what norwegian players have said, is that the average british coach isn`t that good. They can often be old-fashioned and stuck in the "this how we do it in England" mode.

Can you elaborate?

What are the Norwegians doing that is so innovative?

[Mattshark]

Can you elaborate?

What are the Norwegians doing that is so innovative?

That bit is really a meaningless question here and doesn't have anything to do with the point at hand.

[red g]

About as much proof as the others claiming have.

It's my opinion. Of course I wouldn't expect Scunthorpe to have better facilities, but the Likes of Forest, Boro, Reading and many others I would expect to be right up there.

The majority of Yo Yo teams spend huge sums on improving their facilities instead of dreaming about big names.

AEk came 4th last year and most of the teams in the championship that are challenging for promotion have been a PL team within the last few seasons i expect.

greece isnt even in the top 10 leagues in europe!!

[Mattshark]

AEk came 4th last year and most of the teams in the championship that are challenging for promotion have been a PL team within the last few seasons i expect.

greece isnt even in the top 10 leagues in europe!!

And when those teams play in Europe every year, you may have a point.

[Resu]

They are now trained temporarily by Nils Arne Eggen, the man that made them what they are today, and brought the CL success they had. A brilliant coach that probably could have made it out-side of Norway as well.
I saw parts of the game and wasn`t too impressed, but they`ll win it at home. Good to see Annan is back to his arm-swinging self.

[Mattshark]

They are now trained temporarily by Nils Arne Eggen, the man that made them what they are today, and brought the CL success they had. A brilliant coach that probably could have made it out-side of Norway as well.
I saw parts of the game and wasn`t too impressed, but they`ll win it at home. Good to see Annan is back to his arm-swinging self.

Yes, I was about 10 yards from that! He played very well aside from that though and his challenge to prevent Linfield scoring was superb.
Windsor Park is literally right behind my house so when I saw the game I thought I might as well go, there is a Europa League game there tonight, with Cliftonville v HNK Cibalia from Croatia, I might to that too.

[Muddled]

That bit is really a meaningless question here and doesn't have anything to do with the point at hand.

Don't agree. We're talking about the pro's and con's of loan's abroad and the benefits of coaches in Europe, as apposed to British - if we're so set in our ways, what are the Norwegians during that is so different to ensure their next batch of youngsters are going to be world beaters.

Replace with Norwegian with Greek it makes you feel better, but nobody pretended to have any insight into the Greek coaching.

[Resu]

Can you elaborate?

What are the Norwegians doing that is so innovative?

I never said that norwegians are innovative. My opinion is just based on remarks/interviews from players that have played in different leagues. I might have interpreted them wrong or be not negative, but there seems to be a trend.
If you look back to the 90s, when norwegians started to move to the PL, some of the players where quite surprised with the old-fashioned training methods (I think Bjørnebye was one of them). It`s seems to be a lot better now, but I still have a feeling that there some coaches that "refuses" to move on.

[Mattshark]

Don't agree. We're talking about the pro's and con's of loan's abroad and the benefits of coaches in Europe, as apposed to British - if we're so set in our ways, what are the Norwegians during that is so different to ensure their next batch of youngsters are going to be world beaters.

Replace with Norwegian with Greek it makes you feel better, but nobody pretended to have any insight into the Greek coaching.

Well firstly, Greece has a better coach to player ratio than England.
England 1:812
Greece 1:135
They have had more success in international tournaments than England.
The UEFA coaching badges in England are easier to get than across a lot of Europe.

While this article is 3 years old, it does point to coaching in England and from the FA to being outdated: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6976899.stm
3 years is a short period to change a system. Also other countries are more willing to bring in different techniques from abroad to improve their system than we are.

[Muddled]

I never said that norwegians are innovative. My opinion is just based on remarks/interviews from players that have played in different leagues. I might have interpreted them wrong or be not negative, but there seems to be a trend.
If you look back to the 90s, when norwegians started to move to the PL, some of the players where quite surprised with the old-fashioned training methods (I think Bjørnebye was one of them). It`s seems to be a lot better now, but I still have a feeling that there some coaches that "refuses" to move on.

Innovative was my word, I just wanted you to elaborate on your Norweigan comment as I think it's an important point, and one that is pertinent in this type of debate. If we are generalising Europe and Britain in terms of where to loan players, maybe we need to focus more on country as apposed to region.

[Resu]

Don't agree. We're talking about the pro's and con's of loan's abroad and the benefits of coaches in Europe, as apposed to British - if we're so set in our ways, what are the Norwegians during that is so different to ensure their next batch of youngsters are going to be world beaters.

Replace with Norwegian with Greek it makes you feel better, but nobody pretended to have any insight into the Greek coaching.

Actually a lot of the best talents in Norway now moves out of the country at a young age (I think there is five in Man City and two with the Scum). I don`t think it would be wise to send the talents to Norway (even if the Scum has a young goalie playing for Molde) but there are a lot of better leagues than the norwegian league, that might be better suited for a young player than the Championship ( and definatly League 1&2).

[DannyMan2006]

Well firstly, Greece has a better coach to player ratio than England.
England 1:812
Greece 1:135
They have had more success in international tournaments than England.
The UEFA coaching badges in England are easier to get than across a lot of Europe.

Youngster wise, our own Connor Coady just lifted the U17 European Championships with England. Senior wise, Greece won the Euros, but it wasn't with passing football, but then it wasn't with a Greek coach either.

[Muddled]

Well firstly, Greece has a better coach to player ratio than England.
England 1:812
Greece 1:135
They have had more success in international tournaments than England.
The UEFA coaching badges in England are easier to get than across a lot of Europe.

Are you seriously saying that Greece has had more success in international tournaments than England?

The same Greece that has played in two World Cups since 1930 and three European Championships since 1960?

Whilst I stop blinking at your post, can you just let me know the source of your ratio's and just so I am understanding your view correctly, you are saying for every coach there are 812 players in England and 135 in Greece?

[Resu]

Innovative was my word, I just wanted you to elaborate on your Norweigan comment as I think it's an important point, and one that is pertinent in this type of debate. If we are generalising Europe and Britain in terms of where to loan players, maybe we need to focus more on country as apposed to region.

I think that finding the right league to loan out to is important. If you want a player to get used the speed and get tougher you should maybe look for a different league then you would if you want a player to get better at passing and keeping posession.

[Mattshark]

Are you seriously saying that Greece has had more success in international tournaments than England?

The same Greece that has played in two World Cups since 1930 and three European Championships since 1960?

Whilst I stop blinking at your post, can you just let me know the source of your ratio's and just so I am understanding your view correctly, you are saying for every coach there are 812 players in England and 135 in Greece?

Yes I am saying that.

So what have the England national team won in the last 40 years? Greece won a tournament 6 years ago!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/01/football-coach-shortage-england