Swiss training camp

[Mattshark]

Youngster wise, our own Connor Coady just lifted the U17 European Championships with England. Senior wise, Greece won the Euros, but it wasn't with passing football, but then it wasn't with a Greek coach either.

Yes, but at under 20 Ghana are the world Champions, there is less variability in those age groups than at the top level.
That is the guy who picks the team, not the guys teaching at club and youth level.

[red g]

Well firstly, Greece has a better coach to player ratio than England.
England 1:812
Greece 1:135
They have had more success in international tournaments than England.
The UEFA coaching badges in England are easier to get than across a lot of Europe.

While this article is 3 years old, it does point to coaching in England and from the FA to being outdated: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6976899.stm
3 years is a short period to change a system. Also other countries are more willing to bring in different techniques from abroad to improve their system than we are.

WTF?????
the same greece that first qualified for the world cup in 94 and left with a record of scored none let in 10?

yes they won the euros, we won the WC and have continually qualified for WC and euros with the odd hiccup or two over the last 50 years.

[DannyMan2006]

Yes I am saying that.

So what have the England national team won in the last 40 years? Greece won a tournament 6 years ago!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...ortage-england

Youngster wise, our own Connor Coady just lifted the U17 European Championships with England. Senior wise, Greece won the Euros, but it wasn't with passing football, but then it wasn't with a Greek coach either.

[DannyMan2006]

Yes, but at under 20 Ghana are the world Champions, there is less variability in those age groups than at the top level.
That is the guy who picks the team, not the guys teaching at club and youth level.

I mention Youth level, as the players we send on loan are youths.

Anyhow.........

The point of sending a player on loan is to either improve them or increase the value of a player for a sell on.

Personally, I think as has already been pointed out. We will not ever send our players on loan to a club that has a better establishment when it comes to coaching. Instead we are looking to see if the players can play to a higher level than reserve football and if they are available to make the step up.

I think sending a player to the Championship answers more questions than sending a player to Greece.

[Muddled]

Yes I am saying that.

So what have the England national team won in the last 40 years? Greece won a tournament 6 years ago!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...ortage-england

The ratio's are relative to the fact we have nearly five times the population of Greece, of the 2.25 million 'players', how many of those are playing for the Rose and Crown or the Nags Head?

Whilst I see your point about the number of UEFA 'approved' coaches, this does not back your point about it being easier for us to access the badge?

What if the calibre of coach in the UK is there, but the cost of accreditation is too much for Joe Bloggs coaching the Nags Head?

[Tee]

I wonder if we will have exercise bikes on the touchlines for the subs this season.

[red g]

I wonder if we will have exercise bikes on the touchlines for the subs this season.

well if he managed to get 50 odd games from duff last year it must work!!

to be fair.....that fulham team i am sure i read that half a dozen or so of there players played 50 games+ last season so something must be right!!

[Mattshark]

The ratio's are relative to the fact we have nearly five times the population of Greece, of the 2.25 million 'players', how many of those are playing for the Rose and Crown or the Nags Head?

Whilst I see your point about the number of UEFA 'approved' coaches, this does not back your point about it being easier for us to access the badge?

What if the calibre of coach in the UK is there, but the cost of accreditation is too much for Joe Bloggs coaching the Nags Head?

6 times the population, but that doesn't change the fact that we don't have a good coach to player ratio.

[Muddled]

6 times the population, but that doesn't change the fact that we don't have a good coach to player ratio.

I am talking England and the FA, but I don't particular want to talk demographics, as I feel we are getting side-tracked.

I think we can gather that the calibre of player that we are poaching from abroad, is the very reason they don’t understand the hustle and bustle of the English game (Premiership or down the park). They are quite capable players who don’t need to learn technique or touch, but more the pace and physical nature of the game they (hopefully) will be playing. They are not going to learn that, playing in Greece just because Zorba the Greek has a UEFA Pro Licence.

[The_weatherman]

So how is that training camp going?

[tiktu]

So how is that training camp going?

Wrong thread, mate. This is badly named thread about Greece.

[el matador]

Or we could, instead, teach our players to play football and learn better technique, which is more important at the top level.

well said mate.

In our youth levels strength and speed dominates. whoever is big for their age, strong and fit will look good and the smaller ones (who are usually technically better) get kicked off the park.

In theory our best players should be amongst the best in the world because they combine the physical attributes with the technical ones. The prime examples are gerrard and rooney as technically they are both as good as anybody and physically better than most.

But what about the rest of the players ? instead of finding players like khedira and pig supervisor we end up with Gareth Barry and frank lampard both of whom arent the best technically and rely on physical traits to make their game.

Lampard hasnt done anything at international level and at chelsea he's surrounded by players who make him look like a better player than he really is and barry got found out big time in south africa.

At the highest levels of the game you need a blend of top quality technical ability and the potential to run a lot and kick other people.

[MrsB]

At the highest levels of the game you need a blend of top quality technical ability and the potential to run a lot and kick other people.

A football brain won't hurt either.

[Shanks]

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[Mike]